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Intentional interference with interstate commerce, that sounds promising for prosecutors but there's a lot more if there was an effort to cover-up afterwards. it's really the telephone calls and records after bridge-gate happened and the bridge was closed. >> again, i preface this by saying there's so much speculation. inside the u.s. attorney's office it's so opaque trying to figure out what's going on there. the speculation right now is about what is the u.s. attorney's office, is it flipping david samson. tell us how in general how when you try to flip somebody and if you get them to cooper...

Christie did with that money. joining me now is steve kornacki, host of msnbc's up with steve kornacki, the very same steve kornacki who joined me in that quick 60 second update on chris christie. walk us through what we know about this investigation now. and it's just stunning to me that that big decision, which may be the biggest decision he ever made as governor is the one that's coming back to haunt him in this way. >> yeah. so this is if it's really kind of arcane here. we were talking in the last segment, the update i gave about the u.s. attorney looking into bridge gate. >> bridge gate,...

One of our 60 second updates. it's a special summer feature for you who are getting back from summer vacation, haven't been paying much attention to the movies, like i haven't been. now to steve kornacki to give me a 60 second update on chris christie. >> put me on the clock. i've got five things on the list. number one, the biggest development has been the report that came out last week ines cho in esquire magazine that a second grand jury is being empaneled to look into bridge gate. and the most significant figure being the former david samson, former chairman of the port authority and that ...

Newark u.s. attorney, has been conducting an investigation. the idea that there are indictments that are being worked through with these four people, that would be a huge step. >> well, i think part of what's new is foundational. both david wildstein, bill baroni, who resigned in the wake of bridge-gate have made proffers to the u.s. attorney for new jersey in hope of striking some kind of deal. according to our sources, both have been willing to give up sampson. fishman has rejected those proffers as inadequate. i think like any good federal prosecutor, he's trying to work his way up the food...

[ cheers and applause ] >> in a dance off -- >> that's what i was talking about, what were you talking about? >> jonathan, bridge gate is very much overshadowed any chris christie narrative, but he is one of the most talented politicians out there and he has not been charged with anything yet. if it comes down to dancing in 2016, he will dominate. >> jonathan, what's your take on this dancing, but also on how concerned hillary should be if he can make it through a primary. >> he is more adept on his feet. luke, i challenge you to a dance off any day you want. >> i have my money on john. >> tha...