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keep pushing forward with this, and there are a lot of other liars. to me, that's the weakness in the defense coming in. >> to point it out, it's 11:00 eastern, and 8:00 pacific right now. >> they did bring up the catch and kill -- >> yeah, and related it back to cohen. >> that specifically, duncan, the idea that catch and kill is not illegal. we have talked about that before and that's true. they brought out the testimony and he's bringing in during the argument other catch and kill instances, schwarzenegger, and others, and this is different. >> the reason it's different is catch a...

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I'm not surprised they had such a close relationship, and, of course, bush 41 being of a different era, he was 100% integrity. i can't imagine him not essentially telling the truth in almost all situations including political. clinton, a little more facile in dealing with reality. >> i was clinton's first presidential briefer after he was elected, before he was inaugurated. i spent three months with him in little rock, arkansas. i would be bringing him george bush's daily briefing package. it was interesting. in a way that was clinton's first engagement with some of these issues. he knew the m...

I'm not sure what there is not to like. it's not following the traditional script from which we might negotiate for months and months, then put a briefing package together and sign loads and loads of documents, but in this case, the president had to have that initial meetin set the stage for everything else. >> it was predicated by all of these concessions on his part. which we have given a lot of attention. he broke down the nuclear test site. and the hostages. >> that is so important. the administration has taken such a dramatic turn from the obama administration, i think it was so significa...

>> in north korea, diplomacy is engaged and tension is down. i'm not sure what there is not to like. it's not following the traditional script from which we might negotiate for months and months, then put a briefing package together and sign loads and loads of duments, but in this case, the president had to have that initial meeting to set the stage for everything else. >> it was b all of these concessions on his part. he broke down the nuclear test site. and the hostages. >> that is so important. the administration has taken such a dramatic turn from the obama administration, i think it wa si...