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North korea's foreign minister stelling a news agency that president trump quote lit the wick of war against us and kim is going beyond words. allegedly order iing a cyber attack on american infrastructure. the cybersecurity firm fire eye says it detected spear fishing attempts on electric companies. >> as the u.n. sanctioning come in, we can only see that they'll use more capable theties in order to prop up its economy. >> but as kim continues those attacks plus missile and nuclear test, he's also trying to learn more b about his adversaries thank y north korean officials have tried to set up...

Around the flag effect where, you know, presidents sometimes do see bumps in approval when we face international conflicts. president trump faced a spike in his approval rating after the missile strike in syria. i don't know that maybe that is the appropriate take away to approach this conflict with, but it is a phenomenon that pollsters often see. >> bruce, before i let you go, i want to get your take on who this message was aimed at. was it aimed at china? we talk about who the audience is. clearly it was kim jong-un and was it also china? >> i think messages have multiple recipients. clearl...

Clear from the days of the campaign that one of the top criticisms he had of president obama was that obama telegraphed in advance everything he basically planned to do in response to international conflicts and well known among world leaders that obama was reluctant or unwilling to use military force. so, president trump has already tried to make everyone in the world believe that he would use military force at the slightest provocation. and there was no forewarning of the missile strike in syria in april. there was no forewarning that the pentagon was going to use a moab in the middle east. ...

State, the pentagon and the president. hallie? >> kelly o'donnell live in bridgewater. thank you very much. back with me to my set here. bruce clinger a 20-year intelligence and now a senior research fellow at the heritage foundation and then our panel for the hour. josh letterman and foreign policy reporter for the associated press and white house reporter for "washington examiner" sarah westwood. thank you, all, for being here. kind of the dream team to talk about all of this happening today. you heard kelly talking about who the intended recipient of this message is. we shouldn't be surpr...

We know could actually have an effect on north korea. i tell you why i say that, i've been speaking to former cia and dia analysts at the heritage foundation, bruce clinger, who was one of very few people who recently met for the very first time with north korean diplomats on neutral ground in sweden. this is what he said about the prospects for de-escalation. >> they made very clear, very emphatically clear that denuclearization is totally off the table. there's nothing that the u.s. or seoul could offer to induce them to abandon their nuclear arsenal. they became irritated when we tried vari...