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And we know that according to the japanese officials that it flew for 30 minute, and it flew for 400 miles and landed in the japanese sea. bruce clinger, former cia deputy chief for korea is joining us on the phone. given those two things, oftentimes we describe these whether these were a success or failure with the understanding that each time north korea does this they learn something, even if it was a failure. but in your mind, flying 30 minutes for 400 miles, would that be an improvement on previous launches by north korea? >> well north korea has done a number of tests this year and last ...

Coming your way. we've got a ballistic submarine there. when you try to do, just remember we can respond. number two, if we do decide, i think this is what the trump people are trying to say. if we do decide to go into negotiations with you, it is going to be from a position of strength, not weakness. >> melissa: bruce clinger, senior fellow at the heritage foundation, he is with us now. so, bruce, let me ask you, how do you think that north korea's likely to respond to that test? we are, after all, it seems not dealing with a rational person anyway. >> well, we know north korea's gonna do a n...

Was threatening tactical attacks along disputed islands. site of two attacks in 2010. so sometimes they raise the tension during these military exercises. other times they don't. this sometime more like that april of 2013 when there was growing concern. >> all right. bruce, thank you so much from washington. appreciate it. the americans involved in thwarting that terror attack in france are expected to speak at any moment now. and when they do, we'll take it live. toenail fungus? seriously? smash it with jublia! jublia is a prescription medicine proven to treat toenail fungus. use jublia as ...

Attempted a satellite launch on the day of the birth. that failed but just that they tried to breaking u.s. sanctions is a big day. so a very big day here in north korea. >> thank you very much paula hang dock. and now bruce clinger, who worked in the cia as deputy chief of the korea division. when i spoke to the defector this is someone who knew what it is like to live in north korea and fled north korea and had a reverence saying she is of our referation and an icon and in her appearing and her popularity? >> on one hand there are like that defector saying she is admired and a signal of refo...

The defense department have been certainly arguing for. >> the president today unyielding in his response and encouraging america and american businesses to be unyielding as well, not to be cowled by attacks like this. but the damage is defense. tens of billions of dollars lost every year from cyber attacks emanating from just china alone. that's over a number of years. and the country hasn't figured out a way to defend very well, partly it's cost. partly, it's difficult to do. and partly is cooperation between the private sector and the government, as senator dianne feinstein mentioned to you...