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There are big ceos about our tax plan. >> joining us now, david leonhart for "the new york times" and also joining us is brute bartlett. former assistant deputy secretary of the treasury treas president jorjts h.george h.w. truth matters." david in your recent column, you said that there should be a different name for the tax bill. you pro posed the name paul ryan's 2017 tax increase on middle class families. please explain. i thought it was a tax cut. >> i don't think that's the name the senate or the house is actually going to use. there are a few reasons why it's a tax increase on the middl...

Only not very smart people always associate it with tax cuts or tax increases. there's always something else. brute bartlett joins me now, deputy secretary for economic policy under george h.w. bush and author of a new handbook, excellent called "the truth matters: a citizen's guide to separating facts from lies and stopping fake news in its tracks." i want to talk about that but got to talk a little about the budget and tax cuts. bruce, good to see you. thanks for being with us. i think the biggest problem is anybody who thinks tax policy is a panacea for anything. it's always stuff and taxes...

Returns and released a lot of them to "look" magazine. and "look" magazine ran a chart. first of all, a huge amount of money to the mormon church, which is not surprising and effective rates in one year of almost 50% on an income of $270,000. kind of an interesting window and then that prompted richard nixon who the to release his tax returns. he had to release them for three and a half years. we have one year of mitt romney's returns which is half of what richard nixon had to disclose. >> steven, i get the sense that there is a belief here that if you reduce tax rates that it brings in more r...