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You are going to be on the debate stage next month, but what's the threshold for you? at what point does this not make sense? >> oh, this makes perfect sense to me, chris, and that is because i've always known that i wasn't going to jump to the front of this pile right away. there's 20-some people. i look at it this way, i made the playoff, all right? and i've done that coming from a position of a state that's a little, not as big as some of the ore ones and coming -- other ones and coming from the position where my whole focus was when i announced in the middle of that blizzard was to bridge ...

Debate stage next month, but what's the threshold for you? at what point does this not make sense? >> oh, this makes perfect sense to me, chris, and that is because i've always known that i wasn't going to jump to the front of this pile right away. there's 20-some people. i look at it this way, i made the playoff, all right? and i've done that coming from a position of a state that's a little, not as big as some of the ore ones and coming -- other ones and coming from the position where my whole focus was when i announced in the middle of that blizzard was to bridge the river of our divides to...

Debate stage next month, but what's the threshold for you? at what point does this not make sense? >> oh, this makes perfect sense to me, chris, and that is because i've always known that i wasn't going to jump to the front of this pile right away. there's 20-some people. i look at it this way, i made the playoff, all right? and i've done that coming from a position of a state that's a little, not as big as some of the ore ones and coming -- other ones and coming from the position where my whole focus was when i announced in the middle of that blizzard was to bridge the river of our divides to...

There are big ceos about our tax plan. >> joining us now, david leonhart for "the new york times" and also joining us is brute bartlett. former assistant deputy secretary of the treasury treas president jorjts h.george h.w. truth matters." david in your recent column, you said that there should be a different name for the tax bill. you pro posed the name paul ryan's 2017 tax increase on middle class families. please explain. i thought it was a tax cut. >> i don't think that's the name the senate or the house is actually going to use. there are a few reasons why it's a tax increase on the middl...