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>> why would he even go from, doug? >> he raised the issue. >> here is what he is trying to do. he is trying to dismiss the whole question, and you are right, four dead americans. we don't know what happened that night. who did the president talk to. we doesn't know. he is trying to dismiss it out of hand and town it into partisanship because the questions are not answered. the republicans are trying to keep it alive, as they should, because (a), they legitimate questions; (b) it puts people like hagel and brennan and jack lew under the microscope. >> the country has a right to know. >> it is ...

Police, state police, anything, no other entity conducted an investigation until he testified in the grand jury in 2010. >> right. the one catch in this is gary schultz btalk to and was in cha the penn state police at the time. perhaps when mcqueary was e-mailing his friends in this e-mail released when he said he spoke to police, perhaps he meant he was talking to schultz who was essentially a police representative. like i said, i'm not exactly sure this is one of the questions that hopefully we'll find the answers to here in the days and months that come forward. >> i can see how that would ...

Standards have come up. >>chris: that is right. if you talk to a lot of education reformers, they say that the teachers' union have a stranglehold and it is seniority and their rights of the unions and it does not focus on educating the kids so a lot of the reformers and the most liberal reformers in the country say you have to take away some of the power and discretion from the unions and allow the administration to do their jobs to reward excellence and get rid of bad teachers and principals. >>shepard: a lot to be done, we will watch you with this sunday as you talk about the westboro batch...

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