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Office seems unlikely. >> he needs 20 republican senators. tom, always good to see you. steve, thank you as well. and a if third quarter fund raising is any indication, the 2020 democratic primary is still an open race. buttigieg raised $19 million over the last three month, down from his high, but still an amount that will keep him in the race. sanders raised 25 million last quarter, an increase and a sign his grass roots fund raising effort is still as strong as effort. joining me, msnbc correspondent, garrett. talk to me b about the numbers. >> you got the top line numbers hoo n here for ...

Anywhere. he's goeing to have plenty of money to get deep, deep, deep into next year's races. i think it's something to keep an eye on. we should also remember the way these numbers are announced today and over the next two weeks is a little bit of games manship between the campaigns. they are essentially all playing chicken with one another, try ing to get their numbers out and in the best light possible. so i suspect for example we won't see joe biden's number maybe for a couple of days. we won't see warren's perhaps until next week as these campaigns look for the best opportunity to take ad...

Concerned about. is it because there's a feeling that buttigieg would occupy that moderate lane if something were to happen to joe biden? >> that's b possible. if you look at the other three front-runners, you have two who have run for president and another very well-known r senator. for buttigieg to be in the same ballpark in terms of fund raising the tells you he's got something figured out. now buttigieg is not alone in the fact that he is jockeying for the more moderate position. there are a number of candidates who are essentially trying to position themselves to be b in the right spot sh...

Actually, you know, not to make too many, make too much out of this, but wayne, the mayor out of the florida city there is with the higher kournl count here than bill de blasio. >> wow. the mayor doing fairly well in the kernel count and it's not necessarily the mayor of new york. the most populous city in the country. no jokes about kernel sanders this time. i appreciate it. all right. let's get to the panel. dina and amy holmes are joining us now. are you surprised that de blasio is not necessarily -- >> i have only ten less kernels. maybe i should get in the field there. look, he's not gett...