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Our budget. there's estimates that it will be the number 1 item in our budget if we don't do something to stop this run-away spending. >> your plan is to look at deficits, what is added to the debt. more than they were taking in. adds to the deficit. we have this 21 trillion monster that we're staring at. you can imagine the finance costs there. you have a solution. explain in a nutshell what your budget plan would be. >> i have a conservative budget. we call it the penny plan budget. what it would do, cut one penny out of every dollar over a five years period and it balances. it's amazing. if...

Years. if we can get all the republicans to vote for it, we can use the process of reconciliation, which allows by majority vote, we can to something like expand health savings account, which i'm a big advocate of. >> neil: how can that -- i'm trying to do the math here. how can that bring you to balance in five years just doing this penny thing? >> you have to understand that government grows at 6% a year. so we're going to add 15 trillion in new debt over the next ten years. so what we do, we start at a baseline of zero. instead of acknowledging that oh, government will grow at 6% a year, we...

Amendment to the constitution. it would balance the budget in five years. very few of these results will vote for my budget because there's a disconnect. they want to be for a balanced budget but they don't want to actually do the painful vote of actually doing the cutting of spending that it would take. >> neil: curbs are, you know, freezes, they never seem to work. even with grad ruddman, they came up with that -- >> you know why they don't work, neil. >> neil: how sure are you that this world work? >> they don't work because congress doesn't adhere to their own rules. we had budget caps and...

Inappropriately said. i do think where we can find agreement we should. when we have disagreements we should try not to make them personal if possible. >> neil: president much more concerned with the leak itself. what did you think of that. >> well, it is important that you be able to discuss things behind closed doors and that you have not have everything said in public. and so i think they do have a problem with the white house with leaks. but i think both the insulting nature of what was said and the leak. >> neil: pushing donald trump's budget plan, is it your concern here no matter what y...

>> the president thinks the -- if there is no military solution in afghanistan who wants to send more gi. he is for sending more gis to afghanistan. i don't think we should send one more soldier there. declare victory and come home. >> bill: you stated that as well in the past. you'll introduce a bill to balance the budget in five years. seems like a pipe dream in washington these days. republican majority and the president signed a bill two weeks ago a budget that just busting everybody's bank. do you have any support from the president if you pursue that bill? >> you know, i think the presid...