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Economic proposes and policies, they're not much different than they have ever been but to tout them and renew focus on them, it hasn't helped him yet. i'm thinking that the fighting with house republicans and senate republicans, in regard to the looming budget issue and debt ceiling issue, they don't tend to help members about congress but they have also shown that they can drag down the president's approval numbers and that doesn't necessarily help him in terms of negotiating. so it is going to be a long fight. really, jon, until we get back to a case of 250,000 jobs a month, over month, ove...

Is a preview to the fall budget battles. president obama saying it's ludicrous that the republicans are talking about shutting down the government over defunding his health care law. some republicans saying that's what they intend to do. some republicans like ted cruz and mike lee. i've been speaking to some republican leadership who say there's really not an appetite for shutting down the government over this, alex. however, that doesn't mean that solving the budget issue is going to be a simple one. president obama really trying to frame the argument this weekend. he's going to hit the road ...

Problems. but here's a news flash, the federal government was never intended, it's not designed, it's not capable of running 23% of our economy. i mean, that's how big the government is right now. and it's on a trajectory, chuck, to hit about 39% of our economy. in other words, the federal government, this entity that americans don't believe is particularly effective or efficient, that most americans understand how dysfunctional it is going on to in about 30 years consume 39 cents of every dollar that our economy produces, i think that's madness, so what i'd like to do is restore that healthy ...

Is it strictly a budget issue? >> money is part of it. it's also that frankly, we take it for granted. it was built by our parents, grandparents, many cases, great grandparents. we stopped building almost 50 years ago in some cases and we just take it for granted. the fact is our generations before us invested their treasure, their blood, their ingenuity and these were a source of great national pride, but we've lost our way. we take it too much for granted. we're not doing near what we need to do to maintain it or upgrade it. >> it seems there's a catch-22 though right now. there's not enough...

Great state of new york former secretary of state hillary clinton. >> bill: i don't think that was the first thing that happened after benghazi attack. that came a little bit later. you say? >> really, the disturbing part about this is the first thing that happened was the president and the secretary of state engaged -- i know you said we don't have proof about that yet but we know that they engaged in an extended political coverup. that was the reason for the questions that started coming forth when everyone in the state department knew, everyone in the white house knew this was not a spontan...