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Well in your district. so what is your position on it? >> from the very beginning, i've been against any changing of the medicare. i don't want anything cut there, and i didn't cut enough in the spending side. what we have to do is put men and women back to work. if we had everybody working. we could solve the social security problem, and we could solve the budget problem. put people back to work. get us out of the free trade agreements and wto and get balanced trade. if we had balanced trade, people would be working, manufacturers would be hiring people and buying plants, inventory and equipm...

Ultimately, that this is formula how you deal with this. anybody who really believes it will be a substantive solution to the budget problem before the election is not thinking about what happens in washington. this is all politics and nobody wants to touch the really tough stuff, joe, you know, you've been there. it won't get touched until they see how the congress lays out. one of the scenarios is a democratic house and republican senate in the next congress and maybe republican or democratic president. i think the president will get re-elected. but anything can happen, i think they will all...

Is going to help or hurt him as we go forward? you've got this idea of triggers here. and the problem with triggers, the problem is bad enough that we should be doing something now. congress isn't like someone who invades to make sure he wakes up in the morning. congress can actually legislate spending targets. the idea that they would instead sort of create a special prize or reward for themselves if they do the right thing over the next few years, or a punish.for the taxpayers if they don't, seems kind of like a strange way of dealing with the budget problem. >> neil: i'm just wondering, the...

>> thank you. >> shannon: i want to start off with a guest, former pennsylvania senator rick santorum who many believe will run for the 2012 g.o.p. nomination. you asked about the tough issues, entitlement reform, talked about medicare and reforming that. >> it's interesting, because some republicans are taking heat at town hall meetings like the democrats did in 2009 over healthcare reform. over paul ryan, the house budget chairman plan to make major changes in medicare and turn it from basically an open-ended entitlement to one you would get a voucher from premium to help pay for the premium...

Coming and this is what we're left with. we're left with nothing. we're left with collective begging. we can't even ask, you know, they put in a little blurp in the bill about asking for safety equipment. but the final arbitrator is the city council. and the county commissioners. we have to accept our final and best deal. they've eliminated fair share and going with garrett here they eliminated the payroll deduction for union dues. >> all right stay with us. we'll continue this discussion. why it is that some middle class americans are leaving the republican party and what is the republican pa...