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People, like i said, this was a sneaky broad side that, you know, we heard rumors might be coming and this is what we're left with. we're left with nothing. we're left with collective begging. we can't even ask, you know, they put in a little blurp in the bill about asking for safety equipment. but the final arbitrator is the city council. and the county commissioners. we have to accept our final and best deal. they've eliminated fair share and going with garrett here they eliminated the payroll deduction for union dues. >> all right. stay with us. we'll continue this discussion. why it is tha...

Right the tea party has dragged the republican party. that's pretty good political analysis of what happened in the house, isn't it? >> i think that's true. i mean, i think passing this budget could be to be the republicans what letting babe ruth go was for my dear boston red sox. maybe the curse won't last for 86 years, but i think substantive and politically this is a big mistake. the other thing is, almost nothing ever unites democrats, yet this budget did it. but i'm actually feeling optimistic about the long term of solving the budget problem much more than i was a couple weeks ago. solvi...

That just leads to this discussion. i know there are a lot of important discussions going on about how you get to a middle ground, but you cannot take politics out of the equation, because politics is what this is all about. >> david, does having that political argument really solve the nation's deficit problem, the budget problem? does demagoguing them on medicare, it works politically, but does it work for getting stuff done? >> it doesn't -- i think because the politics of the 2012 were so ever present in all this, i think it's chances that we will not get entitlement reform and we won't ge...

>> david, does having that political argument really solve the nation's deficit problem, the budget problem? does demagoguing them on medicare, it works politically perhaps, but does it work for getting stuff done? >> it doesn't -- i think because the politics of the 2012 were so ever present in all this, i think the chances have gone high now that we will not get entitlement reform and we won't get a serious reform of taxes until after the 2012 election. to me the question is, are we going to find ways to extend the debt ceiling and get a budget for 2012? are there more modest compromises tha...

Scripts against them saying you voted against them to dismantle health care. that just leads to this discussion. i know there are a lot of important discussions going on about how you get to a middle ground, but you cannot take politics out of the equation, because politics is what this is all about. >> david, does having that political argument really solve the nation's deficit problem, the budget problem? does demagoguing them on medicare, it works politically, but does it work for getting stuff done? >> it doesn't -- i think because the politics of the 2012 were so ever present in all this,...