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Process. >> neil: your colleague, lindsey graham, expressed some frustration with the president and the mixed signals on this daca thing. the famous tuesday meeting that was beamed live -- not live, but it looked like they were -- he was inclined to accept whatever deal they came up with and he changed his mind. we don't know the back story. so it's lethal to try to recreate it. but that he might have sent mixed signals and contributed to this. what do you think? >> neil, he's laid out his four principles. one is yes, we have to address daca but we have to have border security at the same time...

Seven years. there would be times where members would vote for something knowing that they had cover, whether they would send it back to committee or vote against an amendment, but then vote for final passage so they could go on record saying they were against certain things, but they end up voting for the whole thing. this is some of that political brinksmanship. what you're seeing with the senators talking to each other in little pockets on the floor. look, no one actually wants a shutdown. this is something that has become the weaponization of the budgeting process and part of the dysfuncti...

Against every bill. they want a better budgeting process and long-term funding bill and major spending cuts so. they're kind of baked into a short term c.r. and you have senator graham and jeff flake. senator graham where you see on the floor right now continuing o f the resolution is one of the central player of the daca issue. he's a coauthor to deal with that issue and of the proposal that the president rejected. you also have senator jeff flake, he's also in the game of six related to the bipartisan proposal. his reason for opposing this is also immigration related. one of the issues and o...

Graham. for fourth time cr, let's get our act together. people like rand paul who have some serious problems. what happens? >> there are people on both sides frustrated with this budgeting process by cr that has been really the way things have been done in washington for about a decade now. a lot of people will like to see a budget deal. lindsey graham's also expressed frustration with the president being sort of a weather vane and whoever is in his ear last. really complicated for folks on the hill to try to get something bigger than a cr done right now. i think on ben's point, the political ...

Republican tax reform plan scheduled to be unveiled tomorrow. and i want to bring my panel back. we know that the russian commotion is a distraction but let's get to tax reform. where's this thing actually going? because it's not tax reform. it's a tax cut. we're not going to really get rid of lots of loopholes. we're going to hook some groups up. >> well, it's actually worse than that because essentially it's a budgeting process. in which they have to make sure that this is a revenue neutral deal because the only way they can get the reform that they seek is if the cbo scores it as budget neu...