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Jong-un, but, quite frankly, when you do that he has no choice but to come back at you. he is considered a god in his country. north korea is nor like a cult than a country. and so he has to respond and so you get anise ka latetory cycle that's not in anybody's interest. i think all the people around the people have told him to cool out. that's sort of not possible for him to do. >> richard the chinese foreign minister said he was listening on to reserve the right of potential conflict. the chinese foreign minter said we have to do this through dialogue. do they have our interest at all in min...

Australia, europe, southeast asia allies and others so that, again, now you have economic pain, have you military and diplomatic threshold being raised against china to where all of those things combined force change in their attitude towards north korea because right now china is content with the status quo. they really don't mind having a buffer state. and the collapse of the north koreaible regime scares them more than all of those other factors. pete: great point. we have to change the calculus going forward. >> absolutely. and very fast. pete: and quickly. >> and very fast. pete: thanks a...

Which right now precludes them from taking any offense of action. of course the secondary sanctions that we heard so much about targeted chinese and russian banks in bringing an international coalition to also begin putting this quake on the chinese. at the bottom line is we have to raise the pain threshold with the chinese so that they change the status quo of having their buffer state. we have to do it fast because the north korean capability is progressing month by month. >> martha: fits the key thing here. we need to put pressure on china. they are our biggest trading partner, the presiden...

Koreans, but i don't think the north koreans are simply going to roll over and do anything the chinese ask. furthermore, i'm not convinced the chinese feel that it's in their interests to help us with this north korea problem. i think the chinese like a buffer state there in north korea, and i think they're satisfied to let it kind of continue to boil along despite perhaps what we heard in the u.n. today. >> speaking of the -- go ahead, colonel. >> don, one thing i'd add is the timing is terrible on this right now because china is undergoing an election season. mr. xi gets elected again, proba...

A buffer state. they don't want unification. if there's a collapse, you might be seeing tens of thousands of refugees thrown into china. china wants status quo. they have their own internal problems to worry about. china is not playing ball. >> the defense secretary used some pretty strong language in talking about north korea saying that it would be possible for the united states to annihilate the regime. he said that's not what we want to do but we can do it. the language is getting strong. >> very strong. but what secretary mattis says, if north korea was to attack us, we're going to do tha...