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Tests and this range of tests over the last seven months as directed at urging china to sit down with them? >> there's no love loss between north korea and china. north korea wants to create facts with nuclear program. north korea wasn't trust china and china will put pressure on them. they want to create a new reality. it's against china, us, south korea, and japan. north korea is saying we're here to stay, and you have to treat us much more carefully and take our interests into greater account, and by the way, they can now put pressure on us in south korea. they might say we can hide behind ...

Regime as a buffer state between them and the south koreans. the thing that they are definitely afraid of is to have a pro-western western-oriented allie of the united states right on their border so they want to have this is one of the tradeoffs we're going to have to accept which is if we want to get rid of kim jong un, we have to say to the chinese we will accept a communist regime in north korea just not one that is aggress every pursuing nuclear ambition. now, i thought you and ron desantis had a good exchange. i thought he put his finger on it. we've sanctioned about everybody whose doin...

>> yeah, will look not him. they hope to keep a communist regime as a buffer state. between them and the south koreans. the thing that they are definitely afraid of is to have a pro-western oriented ally of the united states right on their border. so they want to have, this one of the trade-offs that we will have to accept which is we want to get rid of kim jong-un, then we had to say to the chinese, we will accept a communist regime and north korea does not one as aggressively pursuing nuclear ambitions. i thought that you and ron desantis had a good exchange. we have sanctioned about everybo...

Need to be truly laid out on the table. the military will always be ready, but now it's time for the hard work, the diplomacy needs to start. and that's going to start with getting china involved, not allowing them to push this away and think that they can just have a buffer state that's going to be nuclear armed and threaten us and engage in a meaningful manner that will stabilize the region and the world. if china doesn't want to do that, they will live with the consequences of that problem. >> commander, the atlantic piece to which you refer was written by mark bowden of blackhawk down fame...

North korean army and if they wanted to put their own person in place, that's something we should explore. pete: sanctions have been tried since 1994. and even before that inside north korea to bring them to their knees. you are saying we haven't used the most effective ones yesterday and we still could turn those screws. >> notions sanctions have been tried and failed. sanctions have been put in place. the chinese have not enforced them. i mean, sanctions enforcement, including the ones that nikkei haley just successfully put in place last week. have to be enforced and that falls squarely on ...