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Hits that city with 10 million people and there begins a very horrible scenario, not only for the korean peninsula but for all of asia. >> that's right. that's why it's called a demilitarized zone where those forces face one another. key points to remember, we do have good missile defenses. our forces in south korea are very strong. i'm not surprised that we've seen concerns by south korea's population about what this means for them. this really is in their backyard. but remember, china comes in here, too. north korea has been china's buffer state for 50 years or more. but they're not behaving...

Last word. >> look, the chinese calculation is if they helped bring down the north korean regime, they're going to have a democratic westernized south korea all the way up to the border probably with nuclear weapons, and that is the last thing they want. and they have a buffer state and that -- it acts as a buffer between the west and south korea. >> bill: make them behave. keep them as a buffer. >> how do you make a great power behave? you tell me. >> bill: who's a great power? not north korea, they can barely feed their people. china focuses them on a second to bring them to their knees. you...

>> look, the chinese calculation is if they helped bring down the north korean regime, they're going to have a democratic westernized south korea all the way up to the border probablyc with nuclear weapons, and thatat is the last thing they want. they now have a buffer state and that's a client state. it acts as a buffer between the west and south korea. >> bill: make them behave. keep them as a buffer. >> how do you make a great power behave? you tell me. >> bill: who's a great power?o not north korea, they can barely feed their people. china can slap sanctions on them that bring them to thei...

Going to look at this and say the we knew the americans are wig to use power. we've seen that. >> george bush lobbying us, to put pressure on north korea for his entire administration started two wars. so we've seen that the americans are able to use force. will the chinese really change their policy toward north korea? they have a lot of vested interest in take buffer state between them and not just south korea, but u.s. forces in asian and frankly the rest of the world. message sent to russia, look, get serious we need to do something here. you're not going to have court blanch. on the other...

Are being struck by vladimir putin, and we are sitting by and watching it. and a recent leader of the free syrian army says we've been abandoned by the united states. we've got a huge credibility problem here that we're going to have to rebuild as well. what is the morality of training young men, send them into syria and then not protect them from attacks of the russians and bashar al assad? >> but if the russians don't cooperate, what you're suggesting, senator -- correct me if i'm wrong -- potentially, u.s./russian military engagement, that potentially could lead to a u.s./russian war. >> if...