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Can hear people at thero white house talking about some of the options building a "wall." it looks more like a fence than the type of wall running through the center of israel. >> kimberly, next. >> in terms of your discussions with reince priebus, did he really say what his strategy is going forward to get the funds appropriated to complete this, whatever you call it -- a fence or a wall -- he said doing it in september, dealing with the fiscal issues at that time but how would that be different from now? >> it's not going to be different coming upgo in septemr and october at the end it right...

Getting his kicked in. if they are trended from us to chicken salad -- that's a good idea but you don't buy that, do you? >> he knew that that was a losing proposition. senator schumer came out and said mitch mcconnell, the senate majority leader wanted to negotiate on the wall. chuck schumer said there will be no wall. everybody knew there was going to be a big fight over this. the democrats would probably force the government into default. and then that would be prime territory to play new republican. the president really wanted to avoid this. he doesn't want a government shutdown, happening...

Is one place where you and congressman o'rourke are finding agreement when it comes to, for example, health care. one thing. >> well, on health care we agree that that, you know, you shouldn't be prevented from getting insurance because of a preexisting condition. >> okay. all right. >> another topic like the wall. we both agree that building a wall from sea to sea is the most expensive and least effective way to do border security. and that we should be using more of those resources on collecting intelligence on the criminal organizations that are operating in central and south america. >> la...

Points i actually make in my book is from a systems analyst named lynn wells who said you shouldn't think in the box or out of the box. you should always think without a box. what he meant by that is the world is seamlessly integrated where telecommunications and climates are interwoven. think about the policies. one of the things is we want to keep immigrants out. that is coming from central africa toward europe and not actually from mexico, from central american the northern triangle. both are hammered by the same problem, population and climate change. the collapse of small-scale agricultur...

Patience domain stream republicans have? >> that is the test. they've been patient on a number of things. you have the president floating a million dollars on spending and infrastructure. you have certainly the controversy with mexico even though folks are all about the wall, they recognize exactly what you laid out, tom, in terms of the effects of it. here you get into this space which has its own level of complications and republicans in large measure would like the administration to slow down, to be honest. they'd like to take another day or two to think it through so you don't have the pil...