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Section 215 bulk metatada program as it currently exists and establish a mechanism that preserves the capabilities we need without the government holding this bulk metadata. >> the president wants the nsa to get court approval before it can search the database. he wants someone other than the government to hold the records and to pursue calls only two steps removed from a suspected number instead of the current three steps removed. general hayden, given the fact that the current nsa director, keith alexander, says that this bold collection of metadata only prevented one or two plots at the mos...

Section 215 bulk metatada program as it currently exists and establish a mechanism that preserves the capabilities we need without the government holding this bulk metadata. >> the president wants the nsa to get court approval before it can search the database. he wants someone other than the government to hold the records and to pursue calls only two steps removed from a suspected number instead of the current three steps removed. general hayden, given the fact that the current nsa director, keith alexander, says that this bold collection of metadata only prevented one or two plots at the mos...

Without the government holding this bulk metadata. >> the specifics have not yet been determined and questions still linger where the data 140 be kept. david corn. joy reid, managing editor of the grio and msnbc contributor. i want to start with joy and go quick to david. two questions i got in mind. it's all we're going get to probably. one, do you have a clear notion? is the government going to keep this metadata? in other words, phone calls made from you to me, from him to her, whatever. should they keep that or keep it in some third party locale if not verizon or one of the telecommunicati...

Trying to balance the legitimate concerns on privacy, but also the need to continue providing security for this nation. >> so, you know, i wonder, does this mean that there's a victory in this for edward snowden? that if he had not revealed these classified information, that we wouldn't even be at this point? >> absolutely. one of the questions is whether or not any of this bulk metadata is even ektive. the judge if d.c. said no. snowden made this stuff available. why did it take seven years before the american public learned this? why did obama sit on it for five years? we wouldn't be here to...

President. the place where i still fall a little short and i have to say i've read the speech half a dozen times, i listened also to the white house staff who were briefing us and then also your prior guests. i still don't fully understand what they mean and when they talk about not allowing the government to have the custodial capacity of the bulk metadata but yet still want to have the ability to search it and that if it won't sit with third parties, it could sit somewhere else. what are they talking about? >> i didn't fully understand the third option that he was describing somewhere that i...