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Speeches got me here. and trump's thinking name-calling got me here. it's like the untouchables school of government. you send one of us to the hospital, we send one of yours to the morgue. >> the thing about his name-calling too, anthony scaramucci, one of his advisers, was on with me in another show. he said i think donald trump and bill clinton will be playing golf in the next few years, after everything donald trump said about bill clinton. i said, is any of this personal to donald trump? he said, no. trump will call a guy a clown one day and expect he can sit down and have a bull session ...

Camera on me and i'm talking about the game as it's played in real time. i have my ex-players. i have brian bosworth walk in, joe washington, billy sims. i had greg pruitt and thomas slot who was my quarterback back in the '70s. i have a professional host. we all sit there, four or five guys on camera and we just sit there and shoot the bull and talk about our experiences but talk about the game as it progresses. so it's kind of entertaining. we tell stories. we bring up anything that happens or whatever anyone says. it's a bull session as you're watching the game. it's actually what it would ...

Always, -- sloppy. disorganized. i'm talking about the way he ran his white house. pizza at 3:00 a.m. the stuff like a bull session in college went on and on. and that is reflected in the foundation, which has got as the "new york times" showed very long article. the connections with corporate celebrity with money, with people who have self-dealing is pretty messy and i'm not sure if you are a candidate, despite hillary's celebrity and how much she is adored by democrats. it's a difficult association and it could be harmful. >> quickly, only a few seconds left here. philanthropy two to aclose ...

Language, although people who were on this thing defended it as not being a conspiracy, not coordinated, just a bull session where people were debating and gossiping, but that kind of language is kind of troubling. >> it is. absolutely. you're talking about journalists conspiring to say let's cover up the reverend wright story. and not only that, let's unfairly, in order to change the subject, accuse a conservative of racism. that is a very serious accusation. and the worst part is it's not just coming from people from, say, left of center websites but you have people from mainstream sites lik...