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Mcgahn, hey, i'd like to find a spot for michael cohen? >> the answer is i don't know. the president never said that to me. >> did you hear it from don mcgahn? >> i don't talk about my conversations with don. don's an old friend, a new jersey guy. we have a jersey bond. we don't talk about the conversations we have. what i will tell you is don was amongst the most careful, smart lawyers i've met in my career. and what don was trying to do his entire time at the white house was to make sure that the people i kind of talked about -- >> yeah. >> -- were either kept out of the white house or were ...

We are back. i officially lost control. donny is back. >> governor, i have to tell you, i love the last thing you said. this is so nuanced and people don't understand this. i am not the bridge bully guy, not the saint from sandy, i am neither and i'm both. i thought that was a wonderful thing. if you are running again, i think we need to hold onto that. impart of the 17 year club with trump also. i have known him a long time. people ask me was he different, is he the same. and he is different. you clearly have to acknowledge, i'm not going to is he fit for office, politics aside, a very differ...

>> so let me be honest. you savaged jared kushner and he deserves it. but you don't lay a glove on donald trump who empowered and empowers jared kushner today. >> i don't think that's exactly accurate. i say in there the president has real weaknesses. i say in there the president surrounded himself with convict felons. i thing that's pretty direct stuff. i do what a lot of other books don't do, i point out his strengths. i know him in a way other people don't know him because i've known him for 17 years so i had a lot of personal time with him where i've gotten to see him as a father, and talk...

That was just immature and ill-tempered. and he left separately after that meeting and i spoke to donald for a while about this and i just said, this is not a guy who you can give a senior position to. i know he's supported you. i know you like him. but he's just not temperamentally fit to do this. and this was one of about a half a dozen conversations i had with the president. you know, between june or july of 2016 and election day about mike flynn including -- up to and including the day after election day when i saw the president for the last time before i was fired as transition chairman w...

To go the minute he sat down. and the commentary would start and you would be waiting for the waiter to come to interrupt it so everybody could get a breath. you know, the president now is not that way when he sits at the table. i have always taken, i don't know why, what i have taken it to be is this guy after two years is starting to feel the weight of the office and the weight of the pressure of the office and the responsibilities that come on his desk and on his watch all the time and i think it's made him different. so i would agree with you that i think he is different. that's what i att...