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Cited conspiring to promote a candidate by unlawful means. it's a misdemeanor. so he's using a misdemeanor boot strapping it into a felony by saying the false enters were to obstruct another misdemeanor and the whole indictment reads that way. i was just, i was shocked. >> laura: another fine product of harvard law school, i will say. all right, david, andrew weisman, a good buddy of both of yours, he had a comment about everyone should just calm down about how this couldn't result, perhaps, in a conviction. watch. >> the jury could be charged that if you don't find for the felony, the bump up...

You don't actually have to commit that crime. so, that's why you would necessarily need to charge it. that's something that alan bragg said also, if one of the crimes tha your thinking could be used as that bump up is a federal, crime and then that is not something you could charge the state court anyway now, this really goes to christa's question in the last segment, where he said isn't this still a really tenuou case, isn't there a proble because this is a legal issu in this case more than a factual issue. and this is where i wa actually impressed in terms of what was charged there because t...

Against him that he will face a trial and the charges that he's going to be confronted with and if there's ambiguity as to what criminal charge would cause this bump up that might cause a bit of a problem, and they even trump's attorney said this at the hearing yesterday. they said, look, you know, we don't even know what the charges are. so we need. we need more clarity. so a lot of smart lawyers were left to make analysis because you don't have alvin bragg says. i have it, but i'm just not going to show you right now and again that he says that's his legal right, and we'll watch as it plays ...

Allowed to consider that the jury can be told if you don't find a felony, you have this backup. so those are sort of implicit in this case. >> andrew, let me delve into this further just to state this one thing -- there is one issue about what bumps it up to a felony, what do you have to prove? the case generally i'm correct that people think trying to use a federal campaign law violation is a little iffy, compared to a state -- a d.a. from manhattan dealing only with new york laws. that is what -- >> there's arguments -- i will say this, the problem with picking a federal violation as the bum...

Alexandria ocasio-cortez making that very bold claim while campaigning in texas at an event for two congressional candidates new york democrat claimed flipping texas red to blue is only a matter of time. the last time they voted for president was 1976 and i read the polls. maybe she knows something i don't know. it might be inevitable but not in her lifetime. >> bill: listen. you keep that border open, dana, all those districts along the rio grande valley we talk about. that are moving from blue to red. watch that stuff. >> dana: hispanic women for the bump-up that republicans got with preside...