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Medicare, it's medicaid. and i think it's uno incumbent on the leaders in washington, those of us to go out and help the american people understand how big the problem is. once the american people begin to get their arms around the size of the problem, then and only then should we begin to lay out an array of possible solutions to have that conversation. >> i want to ask you about housing policy. this administration this week said ultimately the big government agencies, fannie mae and freddie mac should be phased out of existence. do you think the government needs to get oust of the housing ma...

Medicare, it's medicaid. and i think it's uno incumbent on the leaders in washington, those of us to go out and help the american people understand how big the problem is. once the american people begin to get their arms around the size of the problem, then and only then should we begin to lay out an array of possible solutions to have that conversation. >> i want to ask you about housing policy. this administration this week said ultimately the big government agencies, fannie mae and freddie mac should be phased out of existence. do you think the government needs to get oust of the housing ma...

>> david, our goal here is to reduce spending. our goal is not to shut down the government. and i'm hopeful -- >> would you rule it out? >> i would hope that the senate and the white house heard the same thing i heard from the american people in last november's election. it's time to cut spending. >> very precise question -- would you rule out government shutdown, if you can't see eye to eye. >> our goal is to cut spending, not shut down government. >> on entitle like social security, you said the retirement age should be raised. but you said you don't want to get into negotiating how that hap...

>> and donald trump announced he might throw his hair into the ring. that would be a good thing. listen, there are a lot of people out there. i think there are only a very few plausibles. mitch daniels, who gave a good speech at cpac. mitt romney, john kuhn and then tim pawlenty. after that it's all commentary. jeb bush would be a great candidate. he's got the bush problem. huntsman, he served in the obama administration. >> chris christie? >> he would be great but he said he's not running. >> what is the theory of the case, because ultimately it's still going to be tough for the republicans, ...

To have the adult conversation. i keep saying we can have a juvenile conversation as long as you'll say what you're actually for. because nobody is actually saying what they're for here on the tough stuff. >> with all due respect to the congressman, this is the problem right now. all we have to do, if this is going to happen this year and i think it could, is to get to a deal that's too big to fail. a deal that has the tax increases, the kind of cuts to health care that the president would say he would not accept, somehow that deal has to come together. the events right now are just pregame sk...