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Adviser to the bush and clinton campaigns, co-founder of no labels and vice chair of strategies. hi, how are you. >> thank you. how are you. >> you were one of the wisemen who counselled against any participation in the trump crazy debate here. how you are feeling? two acceptances, three rejections and then michele bachmann and rick perry trying to make up their minds. >> i'm encouraged, lawrence. and i'm glad it see romney sort of stand up and i'm glad to see jon huntsman really stand up and stiffen some spine. they are doing what they ought to do. it turned into a carnival, a cirque with us ...

I mean, most people want -- i heard stephen king was on today. >> george will, and karl rove -- >> these are the three people, i have to tell you, they're hacks, they don't speak for anybody. they have no power. a guy like karl rove is the one who gave us bush which ultimately gave us obama. >> trump is putting fox news in kind of a tight spot. they want him on all their shows, but they don't want him kneecapping paid contributors like karl rove. he still is pretty influential in the republican party, but trump isn't interested in fox news damage control. >> we like karl rove. we also like you...

>> exactly. this is classic romney. it was his ability to do a sister soul moment like bill clinton did and romney should check his punches. the reason people are responding to newt gingrich is because what they most want in a president someone strong. someone who is bold. strong convictions. that's why they are responding to newt gingrich. that's why they are following off mitt romney. this was real opportunity for him to step up and once again, he kind of ducked. >> i want you to listen to what trump said today. he is happy to throw punches. here he is on fox news today talking about charles...

Ought to do is tax chinese imports setting off a trade war? let's ask and see if the candidates agree with him on that. >> all right. of course, trump won't stand for any criticism of his behavior without taking pot shots of his own. >> you read about a huntsman who's upset or ron paul who's never going to win anything, but you don't read about the thousands of people that want it. i mean, most people want -- i heard stephen king was on today. >> george will, and karl rove -- >> these are the three people, i have to tell you, they're hacks, they don't speak for anybody. they have no power. a g...

Joining me now is mark mckenyon, adviser to the bush and clinton campaigns, co-founder of no labels and vice chair of strategies. hi, how are you. >> thank you. how are you. >> you were one of the wisemen who counselled against any participation in the trump crazy debate here. how you are feeling? two acceptances, three rejections and then michele bachmann and rick perry trying to make up their minds. >> i'm encouraged, lawrence. and i'm glad it see romney sort of stand up and i'm glad to see jon huntsman really stand up and stiffen some spine. they are doing what they ought to do. it turned i...