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Going to serve us, i didn't know you were going to vault to the national stage. what about the national station? on the first debate it appeared she, a, had the guts to take on joe biden directly but were her facts not exactly all there on the bussing issue? >> yeah, absolutely. she had a scripted response or you could tell she was prepared for this. the reason why she fell after with tulsi gabbard is because she can't go off-script because she's a bit of a light weight. i said she had a glass draw. she pushed foo too fa tour far e to the bussing issue and then she had a drop. in one poll she ...

Harris' ideas of medicare for all. >> you got to find 30 to $40 trillion somewhere. i find the people who say medicare for all, if they're not going to tax the middle class, you don't need to do that, come on. based on what happened with joe biden in the last debate with kamala harris on the bussing issue, and the fallout that continued in the days afterwards. as you talk about this debate strategy, how much of that is focused on kamala harris since he will be right next to her on the stage. >> well, i have a chance yesterday to ask biden about what he's going to be doing in the next few day...

Debate. are we likely to see a pile on? >> i won't say it's a pile on but a challenge for joe biden. and the question is will he be prepared to face that challenge this time? the first debate he looked like a deer in the headlights when kamala harris asked him about the bussing issue. he has to come prepared and have a better answer but will be sandwiched between cory booker and kamala harris. i'm not sure if he's going to be ready for that or not. i want to go back to something bakari said. i thought kamala harris' proposal decriminalizes marijuana but doesn't legalize it. >> it decriminalize...

Bakari said and he'll be sand pit -- sandwiched between them. harris attacked him at the last debate. are we likely to see a pile on? >> i won't say it's a pile on but a challenge for joe biden. and the question is will he be prepared to face that challenge this time? the first debate he looked like a deer in the headlights when kamala harris asked him about the bussing issue. he has to come prepared and have a better answer but will be sandwiched between cory booker and camilkamala harris. i'm not sure if he's going to be ready for that or not. i want to go back to something bakari said. i th...

Disliked than forced bussing to achieve racial balance in schools. and now he's even apologizing for his opposition to that. it's astonishing. >> chris, i'm afraid eddie's head might fall off the rest of his body and i don't want that to happen. >> the only thing about tissue of bussing it was disliked because a lot of white people in this country did not want black kids to go school with them. so there was some black folk who did not to send their kids into dens of hatred. we keep talking about the bussing issue as if it didn't work because bussing, something inherent in the policy itself was...