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Years old and has to go to an active shooter drill. so a lot of us are willing to not rule out the politicians that speak to that rage and that exasperation with the gun debate. but i think the other side of it, as you said, is a very rational and probably correct analysis of where his position puts him and puts the party. >> and that was the buttigieg position, karine, we've got to win this at the end of the day. >> i was clearly listening to you guys talking and looking at the polling. the way i see pete buttigieg is something that is very chon in t -- common in the democratic party and we'v...

Was seen as channeling the rage and the feeling that we as a country are hunted by automatic weapons. >> no one doubts his sincerity. >> and i think the two sides of the beto coin are part of the reason he is on the stage is because he speaks to the anguish of every mom who sends her baby to school at 3 years old and has to go to an active shooter drill. so a lot of us are willing to sort of not rule out the politicians that speak to that rage and that exasperation with the gun debate. but i think the other side of it, as you said, is a very rational and probably correct analysis of where his ...