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Understand what you said or do you think he actually did understand it and his original answer was what he really thought but he just didn't want to say that publicly? >> i believe he fully understood my question. it was a logical extension of me getting him to establish the three elements of obstruction of justice were met and i think it's what he actually believes. i think he may have walked it back because he understood that what that means is we got a felon in the white house and that's what the hearing showed today, that donald trump committed multiple acts of obstruction of justice. thos...

State law, that wouldn't be covered. so there are a few things that could be but without any more information, it's really speculation as to whether the attorney for anybody could ever be forced to testify against that client. >> so just getting this out for a little bit, this is one of paul manafort's former lawyers. if that lawyer resists the subpoena, do they end up in some kind of evidentiary hearing in court where it is revealed or revealed to us publicly why that lawyer is actually getting subpoenaed? >> it could be. and, of course, there is a lot of pressure now to have some of these wi...

Of an independent commissioner and investigation, does that in some way imply that they are -- that something is going on? does it make it seem as though they are open to being completely investigated if they have nothing to hide. it is really not clear which way they are going to go on that. like i said, it is going to continue hanging over washington and continue distracting from what the president has said. he wants to have a very ambition agenda. >> also a part of this, john, too on this some chatter this weekend in washington, which nbc news has not confirmed. that is about ousted directo...

Mishandling the press is a mistake, but it's not intentionally misleading the american people. >> there was no deliberate effort to mislead. there is basically a conspiracy theory underneath this. when in fact what they were going off was what the intelligence community was finding. president obama good refer to an act of terror. you could have said it might have been better for them to have gotten to the right c conclusion quicker, but there was a lot of conflicting information and that's what eight investigations have found. >> and it did involve cia complex. so we can understand the full st...

School newspaper, quote, if i had to do it all over again i would. the results speak for themselves. a former cia official who ran the cia interrogation program wrote this in an op-ed. quote, i know it produced critical intelligence that helped decimate al qaeda and save american lives. staff members started with the c conclusion in 2009 of evidence ever since. they never spoke to me or other top cia leaders involved in the program or let us see the report. the cia will now finally get a chance to review the report and raise its objections. there have been sparks flying between the senate and ...