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President trump never tried to win the popular vote. at any point during the 2020 campaign it was, how do i win enough electoral college votes. that is a different piece of that. >> you have to be for things the majority of americans actually want. i like the idea of nikki haley, governor haley or ambassador haley, i guess, jumping in this race, but if i look at the republican party over the last decade or so, i don't think she has a lane. i don't think the jeb bush lane that once upon a time was there is there right now. how is she going to compete with desantis and donald trump in these cult...

>> i was going to say this is the whole chess game the democrats are playing, is that they have these witnesses that are in the room and then they have these witnesses outside the room, the repositories of all the different information from where it came. they're kind of playing them off each other. you've got taylor versus sondland, taylor versus people within the president's cabinet circle as well. ideally i think democrats are trying to do is give us a taste of all that once it gets out into public which could look like a taylor or potential lay boly a bolton dow line. >> the president had ...