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Then it starts to create a pattern that you can't ignore. >> sam stein, the -- as the mueller witness list expands almost daily when we get accounts like this, of course, this adds to this legal jeopardy that every member of the white house staff seems to be experiencing every day, and that is the possibility of donald trump can send you on an errand across the hall to tell don mcgahn this and suddenly that's going to cost you tens of thousands of dollars, at minimum, in legal fees dealing with this investigation. >> and we sort of had the real life illustration of the emotional psychological ...

Life illustration of the emotional psychological toll that can take a few nights ago when sam nunberg went on a cable news rant and said he wasn't going to produce e-mails. part of that was the cost, it's prohibitive. we're talking tens of thousands of dollars, and for aides who aren't making a lot of money already by the fact they're in public service, that is a costly endeavor. it's part of the reason why trump is having so much trouble hiring people is they don't want to expose themselves legally. i want to add one, it may seem simple and a nonsophisticated analysis here, but what struck me...