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He spun around to fight her. she grabbed him by the shirt and told him you don't want to do this. you're just going to get yourself in more trouble. >> gillespie grabs gray by the shirt, but gray decides to make what could be a life or death move. he tears off gillespie's vest microphone and goes for her gun. >> he reached to grab the gun. as soon as he did that, she tried to grab hold of him. and they started tussling. >> the gun is a 40 caliber glock. and gillespie knows if gray gains control of it, he could shoot her. but gray is having trouble. he seems to be trying to find the safety on t...

>> although the perpetrator of this evil act has received a lot of attention over the last couple of days, that attention will fade away. and in the end, after he has felt the full force of our justice system, what will be remembered are the good people who are impacted by this tragedy. >> we're exploring this tragedy in depth this morning. we'll hear from survivors of the shooting and also going to hear from the mayor of aurora, a clinical psychologist, and former fbi agent and speak exclusively with a man who was a camp counselor with holmes. we begin with an interview with two you...

Caliber glock. >> saw people outside the theater, faces covered in blood. >> he was shooting people behind me and i had, like, gun shells just falling on my head. >> police confirmed the apartment where the suspect lived appeared to be boobytrapped. >> the apartment is boobytrapped with various incendiary and chemical devices and apparent trip wires. >> we heard nothing about what the apparent motive is, why he did this. >> we are being as cautious as possible with the investigation as we move forward. we are back live in aurora and the question everyone is asking at this hour is, why? what ...

. such an emotional morning here in aurora, colorado, as we're continuing to learn the names of those that were lost and the survivors still question why they were the lucky ones to get out alive. we'll continue to follow this. we'll be live here from aurora, colorado, once again tomorrow morning on "cnn sunday morning." thanks for watching. cnn newsroom continues now. >> all right. thanks so much. great reporting there. of course, the rest of our team still in place there aurora. we'll be checking in with a number of our colleagues there. hello, everyone. so right now let's bring...

Batman? >> i'm sorry? >> why did he choose "batman"? >> i will not get intoing anything why he did what he did. yes, sir? >> [inaudible]. >> i'm sorry? >> [inaudible]. >> no he was dressed as i described. >> did he say anything to you? >> we, that is not something we would discuss in this setting. >> what kind of weapon he used to fire at people, of the four weapons you described, one of them being in the car what -- >> there is pretty significant evidence that he used the ar-15 within the theater, the shotgun within the theater and a .40 caliber glock. in the end he was in possession of two ....