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the victims. heartbreaking stories from their families are hitting home with all of us. we'll share some of those stories throughout the morning. let's get right to our poppy harleararlo harlow, though. she is at holmes' apartment, at that apartment complex for us this morning. poppy, what is the activity taking place there this hour? >> reporter: good morning, randi. it's really picking up. what you see behind me, if you can make out those busted windows on the third floor of that complex, that is james holmes' apartment on the third floor. i want to play you some video now that we just shot. what i can tell you is that the denver bomb squad has arrived in the past half hour. the arapahoe county bomb squad, as well as the adams county bomb squad, all local here around denver, just arrived, as well as atf. i just spoke with one of the atf members. we're going to the try to get someone on camera right after this. they have just arrived as well, so they're preparing to assess the situation in the apartment, randi, assess how bad it is, possibly go inside, but just getting on scene in the last half an hour, randi. >> and poppy, i was actually at the apartment last night for "anderson cooper 360," and from what i understand, they had sent these robots in yesterday, right, to get a look at what was inside, and they found trip wires and a whole bunch of incendiaries. are they possibly going to send those robots back in to detonate what's inside? >> reporter: that's a very good yes. i don't know the answer. i will ask that, try to get an answer for you. but they sent the robots in to get pictures and film of what it was and how bad it was. and then as you know, the police chief, dan oates called it a vexing situation, unlike anything he'd ever seen. i can tell you that they brought in federal government officials, people from outside to help go through that video, to assess how bad it is, before they do send any human personnel inside. but i will tell you, randi, i think it's interesting, we're only, you know, i would say a few hundred feet away from the apartment, so traffic is moving here, people are around the neighborhood. so it doesn't seem like a situation where they think at this point there's going to be a massive explosion, because we are allowed here. but i tried to cross, asked, can we get across the police lines? absolutely not. they are letting officials pass police lines, fire trucks, police officers, atf into that area. but at this point in time, obviously, no civilians, floano reporters allowed, but i'll ask if they're going to send those robots and cameras back in. >> i think from what i understand, they might have to do that, because they're going to have to shut down traffic in that area, and they don't want to risk any human life, but that could happen as early as this morning. poppy, thank you very much for the update from that apartment complex. now let me bring in jim spellman. he's been here at the theater overnight. and jim, good morning to you. what has been the -- what has the activity been like overnight? have people been coming to pay their respects at all? >> people have set up a makeshift memorial here, candles litigant, like you would almost see like in the foyer of a church. it was about 5:00 last night that authorities were able to get the last of the bodies out, we should get the list of names later this morning. this is still an active scene. they're going to open the rest of this shopping area and try to start maybe getting back a little bit to normal here. sunday night's going to be a major vigil where the whole community can come together, try to start the healing process. >> people are talking a lot about columbine. from those you've spoken with, how do you think this community is coping? >> reporter: well, i live here, randi, this is my home, and i was stunned to see how present columbine is still in this community. people have turned it into a positive. people have embraced that and turn that horrible event into a positive, into a show of strength, and i think you'll see this that again. it's terrible that this community has had to go through this kind of thing again, but in a way, i think they're ready to show they're not going to be put down like a horrible event like this. >> i've been able to sense a little bit of a community on edge, though. even from security and the level of law enforcement around the area, so many questions depending on where you're trying to go. there's just sort of a high tension here. >> and this happened at such a -- it's almost like a ritual, to go to like a midnight showing of the big summer popcorn movie. people were there on dates. >> some for their birthdays. >> people with wedding anniversaries coming up. you know, it's such a fun, innocent kind of thing. it's a break from the heat, it's a break from everything. and to have this happen on such an innocent sort of thing, where you expect to be safe. nobody expects to not be safe in a movie tater, you know? >> certainly not. well, this is a strong community, as you said, so we'll continue to check back with you throughout the morning. poppy harlow as well, and jim spellman, thank you. now let's talk about the victims. this morning we found out that 23-year-old mikalah medec was among the 12 people killed. her family didn't find out for 19 hours after the shooting. earlier this morning, gary tuchman talked with her aunt on the phone. >> she was a free spirit. she was a happy person. she never criticized people. you know, she was just working at a subway, trying to find her way. she's just a great kid. >> then she also had something to say to the family of the shooter. >> i feel for the family of the shooter. i can't imagine what they're going through at this time. just let them know, we don't blame them for his actions. and my heart goes out to the mom and dad of that family, too. >> of course, the family of the suspect, james holmes, is still trying to make sense of everything, and they have asked for privacy as well. we have heard so many compelling stories from witnesses to the ooting. that jennifer seeger was there in that theater just feet away from the suspect when he started shooting and she joins me now. jennifer, good morning to you. >> good morning. >> a very difficult situation, i'm sure. some very scary moments. we've heard a little bit about what happened in that theater. give me your perspective. what did you think was happening right away? >> right away, at first i thought that he was just some kind of an entertainer, to just, you know, bring some, you know, fun stuff to the -- >> so you saw him come in? >> yeah, i did. i was in the very front, and was the first person in that row, so i was probably the first person he saw when he walked in. and he swung the door open and he walked in, and everybody just thought he was like an actor or something. but we started realizing it was real when he threw the gas grenade, and then he took his first shot into the ceiling, and then he pointed the gun at me and then i really knew it was real at that point. >> why do you think he didn't shoot you? >> i get that question a lot, and honestly, i don't know. i can't explain it. it doesn't make any sense, really. but i just think it's by the grace of god or something, i was just lucky and blessed. but i moved out of the way pretty quickly. >> did you get on the ground? >> i dove to the ground and covered my best friend and everybody else in the row, i told them to calm down and at the point we could, we tried to get away. >> and did your friend get out as well as? >> yeah, perfectly fine. escaped. >> what's it like for you to come back here? it's only 24 hours? >> it's 24 hours, and it's still kind of surreal. little bits and pieces are starting to flash back, but it's still not hitting me as far as memories, and i've just been nonstop since then. so i think once things cool down and i have time to think about, it's going to be a little rough to think about. >> how did it appear to you? was he shooting randomly or targeting certain types of people? >> it didn't seem like he had an agenda, but he literally came up and down the stairs and shot anybody. didn't matter if you were sitting or trying to escape or you were a man or a woman, it didn't matter. she was shooting people left and right, it didn't matter. >> and most people didn't understand what was happening? >> at first, they were just like, oh, is he really -- what is he doing? is he really a bad guy? is he really trying to hurt us or is this just a show? at that points, it was just kind of a shock when he took that first shot. everybody paused. and then it became chaotic after that. >> i hope you're doing well. you seem to be doing well. >> i'm trying, i'm just really exhausted more than anything, mentally and physically. >> sure. take care of yourself. >> yeah, thank you. >> thank you. up next, another survivor who says she thought the gunfire was a joke back in aurora, colorado, right after this. 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[music] transitions® lenses automatically filter just the right amount of light. so you see everything the way it's meant to be seen. experience life well lit, ask for transitions adaptive lenses. this morning, we are hearing horrifying stories from people who survived the shooting in an aurora, colorado, movie theater. we are here this morning. you can see the movie theater behind me. a lot of folks are coming by just to see what happened here, pay their respects, and a lot of the families are coming by. they've set up a small memorial in the area. one of those survivors, we'd like to bring her in now. she was actuall inside that movie theater. her name is emma goose, and along with many others, she didn't know exactly what was happening right away. she joins us live to talk a little bit about it. good morning to you, emma. >> good morning. >> so give me an idea, who were you with in that movie theater? >> i was with five of my friends. we were six in total for our group. it was my best friend's birthday. we were going out to see the premiere for her birthday. so she was with her boyfriend and then a couple other friends. a friend of mine, who's visiting from the college that we met at, because i go to school in new mexico, and he was visiting aurora, just to come see me, and got involved in this. >> and were you with your boyfriend as well? >> no, just friends. >> and what did you think was happening right away? a lot of people thought it was part of the show. >> absolutely, it looked like a prank or something that the theater was putting on. some kind of promotion for the movie. he looked like a villain, like a super villain, dressed up in some kind of costume with all the armor on. but it was pretty clear after a few seconds that he was not joking and it was not a prank. >> how would you say the community is dealing with this? as we look ahead and move away from what happened inside and talk about what happened outside. >> i know that there was a candlelight vigil last night, just on the corner. i know there's another tonight at gateway high school to remember a.j. who passed away. the community is coming together so beautifully. they're just supporting everyone who was involved, all of the victims, their families, people who are just so overwhelmed and have never dealt with anything like this before in their life. i know that there are a lot of grievance counselors available for anyone and everyone who wants to talk or who needs to talk. th the city has really encouraged support anding able to get through it together. >> we're getting so much information coming out about the weapons that he had. four weapons, including an assault rifle and a 12-gauge shotgun. what do you think when you hear about that, about what could have been, even worse than what happened. >> oh, goodness, it's hard to even fathom. i mean, it was terrifying enough for the 20 rounds of a rifle that i heard while i was still in the theater. i can't imagine how much more was shot off in the time that i -- that he was still in there after i escaped. i can't imagine what he had planned. it's horrific. >> it is. well, we're glad you made it out and thank you for coming here this morning. >> absolutely. >> and sharing your story. emma goos, appreciate that. police and firefighters are returning to the suspect's apartment this morning. they face trip wires and booby traps. i'll be back with much more from aurora, colorado. welcome back, from aurora, colorado. i'm here at the movie theater where the shooting happened. just a short distance from here, about four miles or so, is james holmes' apartment. holmes is the suspect, as you now know, in the shooting. investigators are back at the apartment at this hour, but still haven't been able to get inside, and that's because they've seen trip wires and ammunitions, a web of wires there in the living room. a very dangerous situation. joining me now to talk about this is hln law enforcement analyst, mike brooks. good morning to you. >> good morning, randi. >> they're saying that it possibly could take them days to get inside that apartment. i'm sure that doesn't surprise you, given what they're up against. >> i think they'll probably be putting their plan together this morning. they were able yesterday when they made that alternate entry through the window, i saw one of the special agents from the fbi taking pictures. he had a camera around his neck. and they were able to get the robot in yesterday, just to take a peek inside, and take a look around the apartment to see exactly what they were dealing with. you know, we heard chief dan oates of the aurora pd say that they were dealing with jars of ammo, jars of liquid, possible mortars inside that apartment, along with wires and what he has never seen, ever before in his life. but you're going to get the special agent bomb the technicians from the fbi, from denver, and with the local law enforcement and technicians from arapahoe county, they're going to be out there this morning, again, assessing this situation, and i guess going with a plan of attack. you know, we're hearing that it's fairly sophisticated, fairly complicated. but i'm hearing that the devices are not unbeatable. that the technicians are -- there's a good possibility that they'll be able to get in there today. they're going to also have the aurora fire department back there, just bcause there is a possibility of an incendiary device going off, and they want to take all the precautions necessary. >> i think, mike, a big question this morning is, if this guy did booby trap his apartment and went to such trouble to make it so complicated and so dangerous, why would he tell police when he was being questioned here in the movie theater parking lot, why would he tell them that he did that? because they said he was really out to hurt the first responders that showed up at his apartment? >> that's a great question. people have been asking me that all day today. is it possible that he might have said after law enforcement got there within a minute to a minute and a half and got them there on the scene, that he said, i go ahead and give up? we don't know exactly why he did that. because the way he was dressed in all the ballistic material he had on, a helmet, leg guards, chest -- you know, a tactical vest, groin protector, throat protector, it looked like he was looking for a confrontation with police to me, as a former investigator, randi. but maybe he decided that he would just give up. but we are hearing that apparently there was a timer that set off this techno music, i think hopefully what he thought was going to happen, neighbors were going to call about loud music, first responders would come out, no answer, knock again, no answer again, and then maybe try the door and that would go ahead and set off that incendiary device inside. but we don't know what was going through that guy's head yesterday. >> yeah, that could have blown up the whole apartment building and the whole complex. but let me ask you this. put your investigator hat on for me. what are they looking for there, and in trying to blow up his apartment, might he have been trying to hide something? >> there's a good possibility, or he could be out to hurt first responders. when you have jars of liquid, which are probably some kind of flammable liquid, when you have a lot of ammo, when you have these mortars which have been described to me, it looks like it's there to do some kind of damage. either to first responders, to that building. and possibly to something inside. but we don't know, also, what kind of evidence they got from his car. were there any kind of journals. was his computer in that car? we don't know. and we don't know exactly what was inside there. i think they're going to go ahead and put together their plan today. there's no rush. there's no rush. they took pictures. they know what they're dealing with now, and i think they're going to be dealing with it today. whether or not, you know, they have to use any kind of procedure inside that apartment, time will tell, as the agents go ahead and make entry into that apartment. >> well, they've certainly done a great job taking every precaution. you know, they've evacuated those buildings, they've let some people inside to get some personal belongings last night. but mike brooks, thank you very much. we'll check back with you as well as activity develops at that apartment. and we are going to have much more from here, from aurora, colorado, this morning. we're looking at a community that is recovering once again from some devastating losses. but for now, i want to hand it pack to gary tuchman who is in atlanta with some other news. gary, good morning. >> good morning, randi. and just ahead, we go overseas as bulgarian authorities are searching for a second suspect in the bus terror bombing there. and we will continue our coverage from aurora, colorado, as police return to the suspect's apartment. they still can't get in because of the booby traps. okay, team! after age 40, we can start losing muscle -- 8% every 10 years. wow. wow. but you can help fight muscle loss with exercise and ensure muscle health. i've got revigor. what's revigor? 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