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In, will other follows? sheriff a.j. lauderback joins us. we did call dhs secretary alejandro mayorkas and have not heard back. it seems like a well-coordinated plan. all of a sudden 30 haitian my grants emerge at the same time, the same overpass for them, the same bridge. they were going back and forth to mexico, getting provisions and food and things like that. and now we're hearing that more reports are on the way. what are you hearing? >> i'm hearing the same, charles. good afternoon to you. good to see you again. you know, it's obvious, very clear that the only thing the biden administrat...

These departments and these agencies are under the executive branch. you can't call dhs and say, secretary, can you send over the data that you have? you're saying that's unconstitutional give mike speak fine. what i said to you was -- >> that's exactly what he's doing. >> the constitution says the censuses under the authority of the congress. what you see from a commerce department. if the commerce department actually operates. it's the congress that has of this authority. the president is now going around the courts, around the congress. >> no he's not. >> to fire up his political base with ...

They're showing the older boys. but it sounds awful. the crying on the tapes are brutal. >> this is horrible. we're talking about 2,000 children, some of them girls who have been separated from their family. literally, at the expense of president trump trying to get the obsession -- >> you see that picture of the kid in the red shirt. >> horrible. >> that picture grabs you. >> i know. the president can literally pick up the phone, call dhs, call jeff sessions and the department of justice and say stop the separations. we don't need to use 2,000 children as literally negotiation clips hips. >> ...

Wall issue? >> look, first and foremost we make sure -- this is not a democrats' fault. there's no law in place right now that makes the separations mandatory. if he wants to fix this, he's one phone call away. call dhs, call jeff sessions and end this cruel and inhuman racist separations happening at the border. enough is enough. democrats will sit down to pass comprehensive immigration reform. we should not hold hostage, hold at ran some 2,000 kids. that is not who we are as a country and americans are not going to put up with it. all right. thank you all for your time. >> thank you. locke...