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That is despite the fact that we know that at least two calls trump had during that time period, one with alabama senator tommy tuberville, and the other with house gop leader kevin mccarthy. and that is where we begin today, we are joined by "new york times" washington correspondent michael schmidt who broke the story about the missing call logs, also with us former acting solicitor general, now a georgetown law professor, and betsy woowoodruff swan. what is missing in those call logs? >> so the call logs ared to show basically who was calling into the white house switch board, into the oval ...

Nice -- making of nice before saying, see ya later. >> when your attorney is kind of nice, not nice but kind of nice, you can information tell. >> it's a turn around. attorney kind of nice. >> kind of nice. >> so gloria borger and jamie gangel have this new reporting on cnn.com where they talk about the president -- former president's use of phones. that the cell phones were rotated in and out. he didn't want anyone listening. apparently that's the reason. he'd often take and make calls from other cell phones, demanding cell phones from members of his security detail. others would call him on ...

They said yesterday on whether they would comment on the department of justice and this is setting off a lot of alarms for a number of different people across the archives. >> let me ask you about the call logs. we actually know through media reporting and people who talk freely to reporters that donald trump was having conversations during a time when call logs are now missing. it's not that the president was radio silent. what do we know and not know about this missing period of call logs on the morning of january 6th? >> yeah. i feel like having this call log story break at the time when we...

In the standoff between the archives and the trump white house. >> let me follow up with, you maggie, with trump flushing documents down the toilet as you reported in any new book to incomplete call logs, potentially incomplete visitor logs, is this a white house that tried to cover its tracks? >> so i can't answer that question in terms of the flushing that i am reporting in the book and that i've talked about here previously. i don't know what the documents are or what the paper was that he was putting in a toilet. i can't begin to speak to it in terms of trying to cover tracks, i think that...

Together is now going to be more difficult for the committee. >> betsy, to that point, how big of a challenge is this issue of the missing call logs for the committee? >> it certainly is one that they will have to grapple with, but also something that brings an interesting opportunity because whoever else's cellphone that president trump might have used to have these conversations during the january 6th attack, that person is likely an invaluable witness to the committee. if it they can figure out whose phones he was using, which people were handing phones to the president to set up these call...