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And i was trying to figure out. when i finally went to her shortly after the incident with jen and told her, i'm going to do this. you know i have been struggling with this and i realize this is something i need to do and i'm going to do it. she was actually unbelievably supportive. just like amazing. i kind of couldn't believe it. she was so calm and we had a wonderful talk about it. and then i think as the reality started to hit her, it became more difficult for her. she's talked about when my voice started to change it really hit her. >> she's now got a son for the first time in 40 years. >...

Afterwards both knew this has got to happen. >> and, remarkably -- i don't say remarkably, i don't know here at all, but jennifer stayed with us and supported you. difficult though it's been for her. >> mm-hmm. >> we'll discuss with her how difficult it's been. pretty amazing that she's done that. >> it is. >> we'll listen to a clip of your mother cher, her reaction to your transition. >> it's been difficult for different -- anyone different from burning people they thought were witches, any time you're different, you're going to pay some sort of a price. it depends on the culture as to what p...

Will we, piers, will we? >> chaz? there's a glauntlet that's been thrown down there. here's your chance. >> we have been engaged for two years. kind of had to put things on hold a little bit. i think the other thing is we have both been real -- >> i think the lady would like you to get on with it. >> she would. >> now being a man you have no excuse. >> no, we don't. but the one thing we talked about is how we are big supporters of marriage equality. it's weird to be able to do it now. >> are you legally now able to marry as a man and wife? >> yeah. >> would you choose to do that? >> i think we...

Within the year-long window within which chaz has now said he would be held to and we get to the church and you are asked formally to officiate would you do it? >> you know, honestly i would be deeply honored to. i think we have to have family discussions and i don't see why i wouldn't. but being put on the spot right here to do it, i guess i would feel more comfortable if i heard the two of them make the commitment in the actual ask. >> i guess i'm managing to maneuver this the way jennifer would like it to go. let me move away from this to something more serious. i'm fascinated to know what ...

>> it is. very fortunate. it can't always be the case. >> no. it's not always the case, but it does happen. i know other -- we know people who have gone through the transition together. but, you know, we feel lucky. >> do you know people where it hasn't worked? once the transitions happened they split up? >> i don't actually. i only know one other couple that had very similar circumstances to ours and they are, you know, happily married now. >> is part of the reason that you feel able to deal with it, jennifer, that he's happier in himself as a man than he was as a woman. >> and that affects e...