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And to contrast that, you look at someone who takes a knee in front of a flag, they're called a son of a bitch, but this person who puts his hands on women, you wish him well and have nothing but glowing praise about him. that's the problem that this white house is having, not just with staff, but with messaging. and to sum this all up, it's just a mess. >> lynn, there is a very strong op-ed in time.com. rob porter's ex-wife, jennie willough willoughby, her response to what the president has said in front of the camera on friday as well as his tweets. and, you know, she has some strong message...

Which the president has handled this? >> perhaps not, because she has been a very effective communicator and her own testimony has been very impressive and her own credibility as a witness, to what happened to her seems to be unimpeached, because she is calmly told her story and she told it to others in realtime. but what this shows is, i know there's been talk about how the press shop and the white house handled this, didn't handle it. i am an advocate of getting a fact-based timeline out. but, fred, the reason this has cascaded and created even more problems is president trump himself. when ...