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Candidate says, we have this problem. there are women who say i had an affair with them. can we just rustle up $150,000 of hush money that we route through a third-party, then reimburse and cover it all up? is that cool? what's your answer to that person? >> i hope i wouldn't run of the out room screaming, but there's a chance. so, you know, the problem is, trying to do something like that in a campaign context, where expenditures are supposed to be exposed, is clearly a problem. >> yes. >> you have to say to the candidate, you can't do that. >> correct, yes. >> the white house makes the argum...

Daniels and mcdougal to keep them from talking about their sexual encounters with president trump. since it was done in the campaign context it constituted a campaign-financed violation. it instantly shifted the conversation about president trump from talk about alleged collusion in the 2016 election, that is cooperation with russia to try to fix the election, shifted it from that to allegations of a campaign finance violation by the president. >> bill: rudy giuliani sunday morning. the tweet he sent out in reaction to a lot of this. no collusion, no obstruction. now campaign finance. payments...

Cooperation on michael cohen, seems somebody is influential perhaps as powerful as david pecker would be given immunity for something bigger than michael cohen, no? >> yeah, i think so. also, you can't -- you can't mix the word journalism with what the enquirer does when in the case of hillary, and you didn't have this coverup, they had her adopting an alien. you know, and they put a picture of the alien on the cover with hillary clinton. i mean, what kind of journalistic standards do you have? plainly what they had was it was an arm of the campaign and more recently. for the rest of his life ...

Donald trump's mind is the original censure, the thing he's been at his attorney general for since the beginning of the presidency, which is sessions' decision to recuse himself from the russia investigation. this suggests that even if he hadn't had not then, he would have had to eventually have done it. >> bret: steve? >> you have seen even some of the president's most vociferous critics on the left, democrats, say that the mccabe firing may well have been justified. people who have been briefed on the details of this, if they were not justified, they would let us know rather loudly. i think ...

Much. >> i have a couple of questions about this. the first one which we'll dispense with is his talking about treasonous, sarah sanders saying that was clearly a joke. will you react to what you heard? >> i think it is so disturbing that we have a president who would use that word in a campaign context to really, you know, diminish what treason really is. this is a president who is increasingly looking very desperate, the nunes memo is a big flop, the only thing that showed to me was that this president is terrified of what the mueller investigation is actually going to reveal. to talk about ...