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Harry reid and the senate leader and the republican leadership and round and round we go, but, no, i don't think the president has laid out a plan that would put america on a sound course for the future that he can ask us to adopt in a way that would make our tax system simpler and fairer and more productive. to create more american energy and more american jobs. those kind of things require some work and some leadership. we can do it with the president's leadership, but he's not providing that. >> it seems typically what a president does or somebody does is play a plan on the table and everyo...

The president today. let's listen. here he is. >> how many years -- how many more years can the federal budget handle the crushing costs of medicare and medicaid? that's the debt you're going to have to pay, young people. when's the right time for health insurance reform? is it a year from now or two years from now or five years from now or ten years from now? i think it's right now. and that's why you're here today. >> richard, you covered the campaign. you wrote the book on it. do you think the crowd today was back to the old campaign level? >> oh, yeah. very much so. and his performance was...

Do you think the crowd today was back to the old campaign level? >> oh, yeah. very much so. and his performance was, i mean, that was the difference. there are lots of people out, you go to pennsylvania or any number of other states who want to relive the whole campaign rally thing. but he seemed to want to. and that energy, i think, has been missing from a bunch of these town halls, from his big speeches. this was the campaigning barack obama. and i think that's a conscious effort from him and from his team. >> thank you very much, richard wolffe in philadelphia. up next, we have got the bi...

Campaign. you wrote the book on it. do you think the crowd today was back to the old campaign level? >> oh, yeah. very much so. and his performance was, i mean, that was the difference. there are lots of people out, you go to pennsylvania or any number of other states, who want to relive the whole campaign rally thing. but he seemed to want to. that energy, i think, has been missing from a bunch of these town halls, from his big speeches. this was a campaigning barack obama. and i think that's a conscious effort from him and from his team. >> thank you very much, richard wolffe in philadelphia...

The other supreme court justices using the commerce statute. so again, either he doesn't read it well or he's trying to have it both ways. >> let's roll chuck todd's tape when he asked eric fernstrum the question last week and last week, of course, it was a penalty according to the camp. >> the governor believes that what we put in place in massachusetts was a penalty and he disagrees with the court's ruling that the mandate was a tax. >> so he agrees with the president, but he agrees with the president that it is not -- and he believes you shouldn't call the tax penalty a tax, you should call...