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Coronavirus pandemic with a reliance on surrogates. joining us now to talk more about this, is victoria defrancesco soto, the dean of the clinton school of public service at the university of arkansas and an msnbc political analyst. also with us is former republican congressman carlos curbelo of florida, he's also an msnbc political analyst. i'll just let you guys know, i might have to jump in there if the president begins speaking at arlington national cemetery. so excuse me in advance for that. carlos, let me start with you because we're having some connectivity issues with victoria, we're g...

That he may be willing to move on from trump. there's so many republicans in iowa, who are saying things like this. here it is. >> no one else but trump. trump or death. -- besides. florida >> rhonda sanchez is an awesome governor. i love him as governor. i think it's not as. time >> trump's the only one! >> they're loyal bob, they're the whale. >> there's a loyal base, no doubt. that's why said he's gonna have 20 25% of that bass walked. who believe donald trump's their guy. they like what he did. they like to see him in office again. what we're taking a look at the calculation of who could w...

Generational leader, whoever that might be to carry the baton forward and let the movement move on that way. >> is there room for ron desantis? who you've indicated -- >> oh, definitely. >> if he doesn't take trump on on the things that make trump trump -- i'm talking about the election denialism, the woke -- the cultural wars that ron desantis talking about -- he avoided taking trump on in those. if he's going to win, he has to do that. where's the lane? >> i think what it is is right now you're early in the campaign process. you know how these things work. when you're nine, ten month out of ...

I think what is important to remember to is the campaign process is going to look a lot different in 2024 than it did in 2020 were joe biden was able to do a whole campaign are mostly an entire campaign from a basement because of covid. and now everyone except for maybe the most unhinged of the unhinged are over covid. biden himself got covid was o okay. he cannot be too afraid of covid inviting being okay is going to look like a completely different thing. when we see him whenever we see the president, which is very rare it becomes more obvious why we don't see them more often. he seems to ha...

>> >> reporter: the expectation is going to be liz truss. the whole campaign process has been hugely divisive. it will be a big job for them to reunite the conservative party. you may get a sense of that in the first couple of days of being in office of who is in the new cabinet, who is out of boris johnson's old cabinet. there are going to be much bigger issues to face, in particular, rising inflation. energy bills which are skyrocketing as in many other parts of the world and a real concern about how they're going to pay those bills. liz truss speaking to the bbc saying she understood their ...