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And that also sends a signal, by the way, alicia, that we have very good intelligence on conversations happening in and around putin circle. that will help divide that inner circle, by the way. the signal to putin is that we are where you are contemplating. this we are aware that there will be a light on it. our biggest weapon maybe truth. we will show it and document it. and we will take specific responses. the president is not going to lay those out. but i will give you a couple candidate ideas. i think that if putin uses chemical weapons, i think you do have to seriously consider a nato no-...

Our biggest weapon maybe truth. we will show it and document it. and we will take specific responses. the president is not going to lay those out. but i will give you a couple candidate ideas. i think that if putin uses chemical weapons, i think you do have to seriously consider a nato no-fly zone. i think if putin uses chemical weapons or, god forbid, a tactical nuclear weapon, you have to look at the potential of putting nato troops, perhaps in and around the city of lviv. i think it becomes a different ball game if putin reaches for weapons of mass destruction. i think we are attempting to ...

Difficult it is if you're not independently wealthy in some cases to run for office. >> we have got to be back to focusing on outcomes and solutions that matter to people and another reason for all of these negative ads is the way that campaigns are being run in recent years. candidate ideas have become a liability rather than an asset because the focus is on defining the opponent, attacking them, and not really running on your own ideas and plans and we've got to get back to that. that's a challenge for my party as well as democrats. >> myra miller, blampl lincoln, great conversation. thanks ...