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Times. how is it if you're writing about the campaign you didn't have any flynn anecdotes? >> this book and what we talk about in the book is about the trump campaign and the trump rise and what the president saw. what the candidate saw. and what the reaction was of the american people. what we don't talk about, chuck, look, this isn't a book about corey lewandowski or dave bossie, this is about what the president tapped into so all the ancillary players aren't mentioned, of course. the person who was the most important factor in the presidential election is the president of the united states ...

This is really not normal. and there's actually one -- >> it's not normal. i worked on two presidential campaigns and in the white house. it's beyond not normal. it's deeply suspicious. >> they talked to a gentleman who worked at the cia for decades managing the russian operation and this is trademark russia. they were trying to find a soft under belly of this campaign to dig in and grab a hold of this trump operation during the campaign and that's why they came at it through so many different acheles. >> was there any hard shell? this campaign looked like all soft under belly to me. >> well, ...