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They need to do it properly. if they think there needs to be investigation, they need to do it properly. if she doesn't show up, it's possible that she will then say, i will testify under these circumstances. we haven't heard from her yet and i think there's a lot of facts we still don't have yet. >> congresswoman, before i let you go, i wanted to play a little mere of judge kavenaugh speaking in a different context, because a lot of what's being adjudicated through this is what do you set the standards for when people talk about a long time ago, when they were quote-unquote young, when they w...

But so now we have fact checkers. we have to go another step for accountability. >> richard, what do you think? >> we have not seen a candidate try and reinvent himself at such a late stage. there are a couple reasons for that. one is a sense of shame. people like to hold themselves true to what they have said before. it takes a shamelessness to go out and reinvent yourself in the first debate. generally people try to build up to the back to the center and being moderate. that's where you end up with a candidate who isn't true to himself, never mind true to other facts that might be out there....

On a number of different issues. what if he wins? what does it say about our american political system if a man, and i'll use the term lies his way to the oval office? >> the technology has outpaced the technology of interrogation. we're not keeping up in this sort of arm's race of holding office holders and office seekers accountable for what they say. so our old ways of doing that don't seem adequate for the times. and so we invented this fact checker profession, which i used to call journalism. i thought that's what we did. but so now we have fact checkers. we have to go another step for ac...