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>> we already saw this. >> let me make this point. >> i have to get this out because i'm going to be attacked. they are going to say i'm comparing gays to nazis. it's an individual liberty question all right? i believe that a baker and a candlestick maker, if they have sincere beliefs that the nazi party does not have to do business with them. now, on the other hand the argument is the baker is a devout christian, jew or muslim and doesn't condone gay marriage and doesn't want to do business with them is there a difference? >> no there's not a difference. but this is the point i was trying to ...

>> i'm not comparing. >> we already saw this. >> let me make this point. >> i have to get this out because i'm going to be attacked. they are going to say i'm comparing gays to nazis. it's an individual liberty question all right? i believe that a baker and a candlestick maker, if they have sincere beliefs that the nazi party does not have to do business with them. now, on the other hand the argument is the baker is a devout christian, jew or muslim and doesn't condone gay marriage and doesn't want to do business with them is there a difference? >> no there's not a difference. but this is the ...

>> do you remember the birth control mechanism? sdple aactually did not agree with you on that issue. you're talking about people based on gender and nobody is forcing catholic for example. >> i don't think that's going to happen. but i do think that the church facilities are going to be scrutinized by the aclu and others and if they get out of line they are going to file a lawsuit. now, the baker and candlestick maker and what is it -- >> the butcher. >> the butcher and candlestick maker. >> and they can get punished by the civil authorities. are you okay with that? >> i am okay with that bec...

>> do you remember the birth control mechanism? sdple aactually did not agree with you on that issue. you're talking about people based on gender and nobody is forcing catholic for example. >> i don't think that's going to happen. but i do think that the church facilities are going to be scrutinized by the aclu and others and if they get out of line they are going to file a lawsuit. now, the baker and candlestick maker and what is it -- >> the butcher. >> the butcher and candlestick maker. >> and they can get punished by the civil authorities. are you okay with that? >> i am okay with that bec...

Really ought to either be consistent quit making money from these countries that are really oppressing human rights and quit bowing to the pressure and just sell their stuff. that's what they're in business for. sell stuff. >> but that's the argument -- but governor that's the argument that's made from the other side about the baker and the florist and the candlestick maker. you're in business to make a cake. just bake a cake and go home and be be a good christian, whatever that means. >> a lot of people will do that michael. they will bake the cake. but shouldn't they have the discretion? tha...