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cnn exclusive reporting tonight. the trump legal team, engaging in direct communication with the department of justice about the january 6th criminal investigation. the news comes after we learn the justice department is getting ready for a court battle, which officials might try to keep the conversations with the former president out of reach of investigators. join me now with kim whaley, a visiting professor of law at american university, and the author of the upcoming book "how to think like a lawyer," as well as cnn's senior political and terrorism analyst, philip mudd. good even...

>> thank you very much. appreciate that. bringing in now jordan franks. he was a consultant on the case of trevor reed, released from russia in a prisoner swap earlier this year, also helped to free michael white for -- from i ron, i should say. while, nine years in the penal colony. the attorney said, the average time in jail for this kind of crime is five years. you expect her to get those nine years. keep the evening going well. >> good evening. thanks for having me back, don. i listened to the proceeding, because it was live streamed. it did -- i understand why your attorneys believe that ...