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Of the united states and the man who literally wrote the rules under which robert mueller was appointed joins me now. so, let's start, neil, with this. when people say will the president fire robert mueller, the president personally cannot fire robert mueller. how would he go about -- what would he have to do to remove him? >> he might try and fire him directly. he might constitutionally be able to do that. or he could order the acting attorney general under the regulations rod rosenstein who is the number two, but jeff sessions is recused because he himself has some collusion with russia al...

The lawyers say there is no plans to do it. the president does what he wants. if he wants to fire mueller he'll have to navigate the special counsel regulations under which mueller was appointed. former acting solicitor general of the united states and the man who literally wrote the rules under which robert mueller was appointed joins me now. so, let's start, neil, with this. when people say will the president fire robert mueller, the president personally cannot fire robert mueller. how would he go about -- what would he have to do to remove him? >> he might try and fire him directly. he mi...

Leaves the game, looking to attempt to blow our efforts. >> does the white house care? >> no. of course, not. it is feeding off of this. >> you said something earlier that i think is really important, the question is mike pence's state of mind. mike pence is someone the president cannot fire at least for the next four years. time and again, this governor who has positive himself as kind of the authentic man in the administration has always been a knee to the president. i don't quite understand how it plays for him politically and how it plays from the perspective of those kinds of principles. ...

I want you to react to that. >> the president is not thinking about firing bob mueller. this is speculation that is out there, that is just incorrect. >> neil: would you advise him regardless of a grand jury that that would be a bad idea? >> look, my job is to -- my job is to deal with what? i have to deal with the facts as we have them and the case as we have it. the decision the president were to make on bob mueller is something that i'm not involved in and wouldn't be involved in. frankly the president has not raised with me, with our legal team, the dismissal of bob mueller. >> neil: what ...

>> well, first of all, robert mueller is a republican. he served in both democratic and republican administrations. i agree that he is an honorable man. the president cannot fire robert mueller. he would have to have to deputy attorney general fire him. so in order for the president to get rid of mueller, he do what nixon did. keep firing people until they fired mueller. and i don't think the president will do that. >> there was a poll about who people believed between comey is that trump. i don't think it is surprising.