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I've used that example in the past arguing against this very positio position. article ii is not where the homicidal meets the constitutional. it's --re are limits and what bothers me about the people arguing for this sweeping immunity is there is nary a mention by the framers of such a ssive immunity. they're saying the framers discussed the president's powers in details. many of these framers were uncomfortable with the degree of presidential privileges yet no one mention this is sweeping immunity that would allow a president to commit the most horrific act in office and remain in office. it...

Have to keep your story straight about. >> we're going to get to that meeting in a moment, ken, but all of this coming in the wake of this newly released memo, mimi alluded to it. this is the newly leaked memo obtained by the "new york times" in which president trump's lawyers argue the president's powers are so broad he cannot obstruct justice, not be forced to testify and he can pardon himself if he wants to. how does this -- this new memo what does it reveal about the president's legal defense? >> what it suggests, craig, the president's lawyers have no intention of allowing him to sit down...

Have been talking about is the letter spends a long time about a particular obstruction statute and they don't discuss the more relevant and more recent statute 1512. there are a lot of problems with the legal argument. >> they cite the wrong statute. let's focus on the big picture as you mentioned. just generally they say in this letter that the president, a president cannot obstruct justice because he is the president. is that right? is that a common view in legal thinking and among legal experts? >> it doesn't come up that often. it comes up almost never. one of the central questions relate...

President, cannot obstruct justice because he is the president is that right? is that a common view in legal thinking and legal sort of among legal experts? >> here's the problem. it doesn't come up that often. almost never. one of the questions is whether or not he can be subpoenaed that happened when it came to the floor was in 19 nation and as everyone knows, the independent counsel at the time kenneth star said the president had other equipment at the time, had to come in and testify in response to a subpoena. they had a legal wrangling as often happens with these kind of things and they n...

Investigation and this is a quote. at any time and for any reason. >> cnn white house reporter sarah westwood is with us now. what are you hearing from washington about this discrepancy? he, you know, repeatedly it has been said that he did not dictate this letter. this letter, however, or the letter originally from his. >> the -- >> his son. but this completely dictates or rather distracts from what he said before. >> reporter: absolutely. one of many things we learned from this letter written by two of the president's lawyers at the time. it represents a remarkable attempt to aassert broad e...