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Happen to be in the conservative media. >> yeah. maybe donald trump wanted to fire the special counsel for conflict. does he not have the right it raise those questions? >> the president says it is fake news. that happened last june. you know, it is something we have to tell you about because it is headline in the new york times. what do you think about that? do you even care? >> the story is trump didn't. >> at the end of everything, trump did not fire mueller. what are we going to do in envoc the 25th amendment on the guy because of what he wanted to do? >> cnn senior media controversy brian...

Than twitter trump. it is is not the first time he has met with attorneys in deposition. no one makes you take an oath when you go on television. tone comes from the top. to just freely lie about conversations that were had, to try to snow the measuring people and u.s. senators and act like the mere idea is totally crazy, it shows the deep disconnect between what they say on air and what is the truth. >> listen to this new wrinkle. is president trump's legal team going to defend him by arguing the president cannot obstruct justice? how does that work? we discuss it next. i take pictures of sun...

You fight back, oh, it's obstruction. so here's the thing, i hope so. >> just one more thing, michael, before i let you respond. his lawyer puts a fire point on that. the president cannot obstruct justice because he is the chief law enforcement officer under article 2. he has every right to express his view of any case. so freedom of speech, i guess or fighting back, is that all true, the president cannot obstruct justice? >> well, so, there's a whole lot of things in the clips that we should unpack. let's start with dowd. dowd believes and some agree that the united states cannot be charged w...

Recusing himself from the russia investigation which led to rod rosenstein hiring mueller to do this. we know the position of the white house from what another white house attorney john dowd said a few months ago, the president cannot obstruct justice because he is the president and dowd argues that is a protection from article 2 of the constitution. the constitution doesn't lay this out. this would have to go through the courts all the way up potentially to the supreme court, whether the president can obstruct justice. >> right, this say tricky area because what is happening is the quote/unqu...

Prosecutors, but if they're professionals, they get their job done in a professional way. >> do you remember, susan hennessy, one of the president's lawyers, john dowd told axios, quote, the president cannot obstruct justice because he is the chief law enforcement officer. he claims that's under article two of the constitution. that would still have to be determined by the courts, but that's the white house position. >> this really is a very, very extreme position. it's essentially akin to saying the president can't violate the law, he's above the law. there are complex legal questions about w...