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Therefore employ or deploy, i should say, members of the military and other resources, using other laws to change the ability to make this happen without congress potentially being involved, and danny, what does that mean in terms of what the constitution allows versus what congress has allowed in giving powers of emergency to the president? >> the constitution itself contains no explicit grant of emergency powers to the president other than the suspension of habeous corpus. beyond that, he has to look for sources of presidential power. once the president decides to invoke that national emerge...

Wall, whatever you want to call it. what we have here is not encouraging in terms of the competing and dreadouts from th prospeck prospective sides in this. the vice president made it clear that the president is not coming off his $5.7 billion figure. they call it position untenable. they say it obviously cannot pass congress and that they have to move off of that. for their parts, republicans behind the scenes in their background readouts say that this was a good productive meeting as they put it. secretary nielsen had the opportunity to lay out once again the crisis at the border, why this i...

Very critical of the very idea of it, and they have seen in the recent two administrations there have been examples made about how this is potentially not used the right away. >> this is far beyond a wall at this point, it goes exactly to what you're saying about the limitations of presidential power, and it unites the left and right. some of the reporting on this, and i think it was the atlantic that talked about similar scenarios, andrew johnson's hasty end to reconstruction. the internment of the japanese under fdr. when you start thinking about those examples and the way the president has ...

Barack obama was president and i was at the oversight committee, these types of conflict of interests are things we would have looked at and been critical of and tried to shine a light on. the decision-making progress, what happens going forward will be hyper scrutinized by the people like elijah cummings at oversight or jerry nadler at judiciary. any type of decision that's made, it will be the question where did that idea come from? if there's a paper trail or document or e-mail where with that suggestion may have come from on the outside, there's going to be a big ethical problem there. >> ...

For the new trump cabinet 2.0, congress with democrats in charge with the oversight and hearings are really able to delve into. and if they're not careful and being diligent in complying with ethics rules, they will be in trouble. and to this point we have seen the trump administration has been flagrantly ignorant and can care less what the rules are so there's no expectation it will get any better now. >> jeff, is it not going to get any better now? and is it because when we're talking about the second or third string, is it because that what the president likes or is it because that's all th...