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There isn't an international treaty against cluster bombs, which the u.s. is not a party to. but basically, the russians now are using -- they're doctrine is mass artillery. by the way, i don't think it's really started yet, katy. if they're going to fight in kyiv, which looks probable, the russian artillery units will be firing thousands of rounds a day. thanks will use main tank guns fighting down the street. and it will be a tough war for the russians. they're going to lose a lot of soldiers. so painful period of time. air cap over ukraine's not going to happen. it's militarily viable. the ...

Acts? we are hearing that all we are fighting so impressively, but frankly speaking, this has never been our aim. we wanted to press the world with anti-corruption reform, with rule of law reform. we are hearing that a no-fly zone has not been introduced, for example, for syria. but let me remind, 30 million people in need of humanitarian assistance. dozens of thousands of people killed in russian air raids only. do we actually want to repeat that in ukraine? we are hearing that nato cannot risk war with russia, but frankly speaking, there are other ways to introduce, to secure ukrainian sky. ...

Take more substantial measures against citizens of russian countries that are living on the ground in russia right now. does this presage direct conflict in some of the nato countries, especially because this war is going to go on for a long time. and it increasingly looks unlikely that the russians will be able to capture all of ukraine. they can remove zelenskyy, destroy kyiv, but the west increasingly looks like for the foreseeable future, you'll have a war between a government in exile and between the occupied ukraine. and as nato continues to fight against russia and support the ukrainian...

>> a final question from ari sheaco,. >> thank you very much, secretary. i have two questions. you said that nato will not send fighter jets to ukraine to shoot down russians. it's understandable, but there is another way to impose this no-fly zone. of course, the states send missiles, but air defense capabilities to support and currently work in ukraine and defense capabilities with s-300 which are working quite well. the second question is, you saw it more than a week of fighting and how russian forces weren't able to achieve most of their objectives. so how does this week of war

That the russian government is engaged in orwellian behavior. war is peace. literally, that's what they're saying, right? the idea that you cannot define the worst war on the european continent since world war ii as war, you have to call it special military operations, and if you choose to call it war and present and distribute that, you're literally subject to 15 years in prison. that is going to anger a lot of russian citizens and it's going to anger them a lot more in the coming weeks as the russian economy starts to fall apart, as it will in very short order because of the sanctions. >> th...