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It's all horrible but i don't understand why that -- why was that red line drawn. you know. >> yeah. you know, i think it's just because we -- the international community such as it is has decided that's a line that shouldn't be crossed and -- >> okay. >> i can understand the logic behind that even though the math clearly doesn't work out. but why do this? i mean, is this going to help the syrian people? >> we'll talk about this more coming up. to other news now, the head of the nsa is set to testify on capitol hill today. this as president obama says the government's surveillance programs are...

>> what i can be say unequivocally is that if you are a u.s. person, the nsa cannot listen to your telephone calls and the nsa cannot target your e-mails. >> and have not. >> and have not. they cannot and have not by law and by rule unless they, and usually it wouldn't be they, it would be the fbi, go to a urt coulden an obtain a warrant. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was direct and that was president obama on charlie rose last night defending the government's use of sweeping surveillance techniques the details of which recently posed by edward snowden. americans remain divided about the...

Programs. >> what this program allows us to do, the reason it was set up and the way it has been operated, was when we went to car acho and captured khalid sheikh mohammed, we could see who he was talking to in the united states. he says ask yourself if it was worth it. bathtub falls and police officers kill more americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it. >> i think he is a traitor, somebody with access to classified information doing damage to the national security of the united states. >> reporter: snowden says being c...

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