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To have is if a russian, if the internet research agency says that they hacked into a machine in x state, and they didn't really do that, how is that countered? ultimately the federal government shouldn't be telling the press what to say. how are we going to make sure that information gets out there so that the russians or other countries aren't able to influence the election or create that discord and that concern around this, and bob mueller and his testimony, and i believe director wray today in his testimony in the senate made it very clear that it's not just the russians that we have to b...

How vulnerable we were there and how vulnerable we remain today. foreign actors don't have to actually change vote count. all they have to do is insert a measure of uncertainty into the election outcomes. right? imagine if in the 2020 election there were serious questions about whether or not we could trust vote counts. imagine a contested election when the president of the united states, when he was the candidate suggested that he might not concede an election if he didn't win. suggested that an election might be rigged. these are really, really serious issues, and there are reasons why we ne...

Made democrats on capitol hill angry up in arms and i suspect we'll see them continue to try to bring these measures to the senate floor. >> all right. sunlen, thank you. let's get some more on these warnings about russian election meddling. joining us now evan perez and anthony ferante. he was in charge of cyber incident response for the national security consulate and also one of the first people to see the russians hacking into state election systems. guys, thank you for coming in. this was an attempt if you believe all the reports, evan, and i think they're very credible, that the russians...

Let me start with the senate intelligence committee report. if russia used 2016 to grow its capabilities and learn more about american election infrastructure, what are they capable of doing in 2020? >> thank you, wolf, for that question. what the judiciary intel committees showed yesterday with robert mueller is that both democrats and republicans agreed that the russians in a sweeping manner attacked our elections in 2016 and they're going to do so again. the house of representatives has passed two bills to the u.s. senate to prevent that election tampering and hacking from happening. unfort...

Suggest that president trump didn't get to the white house all by himself. so senator mcconnell is going to stand pat on this i think for now, especially given that it was so close to the mueller hearings where special counsel mueller did warn that russians are trying to interfere right now. >> let me get jeffrey toobin to weigh in. >> why would president trump want to stop russian interference when he won the last time with russian interference? he wants to win again. >> yeah, but we don't know if that russian interference actually changed votes, do we? >> well, there are lots of ways to win ...