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And that someone supplied it to him, but he didn't know which volunteer it was, and he didn't know how he got the photo in the first place, and he wasn't able to explain exactly how he selected that one out of all the options given to him. so it certainly wasn't a satisfactory explanation to the judge. >> and it didn't seem like the judge really was buying what stone was selling there. >> no, she really wasn't. she was almost incredulous, actually. she said, you had multiple options for photos you could have chosen and this was the one you chose? she actually took a little while to deliberate ...
>> judge gertner, a threat to a federal judge, that would typically be something that a president would condemn. do you have any reason to expect president trump will actually do so in this case, given his past history? >> sigh. i have no idea. one would expect that he would say there is a line that has been crossed today, and that no one should cross that line. frankly, he's come close to that line before, so i'm not holding my breath. >> i have an idea. absolutely not! he will never say a bad word about roger stone, as long as stone is fighting these charges. and, you know, he has no respect...
Lie, it's pretty easy. david, what do you think it says, though, about the president that more than just a few people he has chosen to surround himself with are known liars and felons? >> so, look, it's obviously not a great situation by any stretch of the imagination. but if you look, if you take these all individually, right, so in manafort, what paul manafort did is petty criminal. it's wire fraud, bank fraud, it's things that don't relate to the campaign at all. what stone did is lying to congress. what -- i can't speak to the michael cohen issue. i think the michael cohen and sdny's looki...